Just so you know Al
Just so you know Al
Hey Al,
I never got around to finding the post i made earlier about reflashing the ECU to compensate for injectors.
I dont know if you remember but we came down to Chicago to have you reflash my ECU to compensate for the injectors. When I got there you asked what mods I had and I told you my laundry list of crap. GT35r, Intake Manifold, Injectors, etc, etc...
You then told me that you couldn't tune for just the injectors but before you said you could for me for like $80 here:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=133070
Then, after I told you that you already said you could, you told me that you would be able to provide some help for $200 but even then I would need to tune the car myself and just use your tune for a basic start which wouldn't really do too much for me because of my mods and i would be better off doing it myself because you didn't even know where to start. You also told me about the one other guy with the GT35R that you tuned and it took you a whole day of tuning to get it close. I guess I really didnt understand much of why you could tune some cars but not others.
I was also very confused why you said you couldn't do anything to help with my fuel because I had an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. What would that have anything to do with tuning fuel aside from making it easier? On top of that I wasn't even asking for you to "tune" anything... just simply lean it out across the board around 30% (Wouldnt need any knowledge of mods to do this).
Then you told me that you are a business man and you couldn't really do much with peoples cars like mine for the same price because it could somehow hurt your business? Or you couldnt do small things to peoples cars for cheaper rates aside from fully tuning them for $200 and up? I dont get it. Im not trying to bash you or anything so dont get pissed off and dont other people reading this get pissed off but I do think you could have helped me out. I like building friends in many places, especially people that have built decent reputations in certain areas or get recommended by mutual acquintances but I was honestly pretty upset about driving all the way down there and then getting nothing done.
Lastly, at the end you told me that I should just go buy an EMS and that I would be much happier with it. Thats fine but if I want to keep the stock ECU for whatever reasons I may, I thought your method would be a great way to go. Plus I was going to try to be the first person in the 10's eventually with the stock ECU... obviously that wont happen now. The other strange part about you telling me about the EMS is when you said that you would happily tune that one for me. I understand you went to the school and everything to tune these things but why dont you tune your own car but you would tune customers? That doesnt make much sense to me.. I could be wrong completely so dont take offence to it if I am incorrect but I thought Sean Ivey tuned your racecar for you.
All in all, I was pretty upset with the whole experience. I drove all the way down there and got absolutely nothing for my trip except a recommendation to get an EMS. I still to this day cant see how changing the whole fuel table to be 30% leaner could be at all difficult nor can I see how any modifications could change this (Especially an aftermarket pressure regulator set at stock pressure to boot). Technically that should make it easier to tune considering you would never need to wonder if it is being over run or not and you know the exact pressure of it and dont need to guess but that is if I even wanted a tune... i just wanted to lean it out across the board regardless of the o2's that would result. That would have been my job.
It seemed like the main reason you wouldnt help me is because you knew I could tune the car and just needed a quick fix from you to help but would rather make a bunch of money and slap your name on it then help someone out for a price you already agreed on and then let them tune thier own car and they may never say anything about you at all. I guess i still dont understand the whole thing and Im hoping that you could help answer it for me.
One, why would you tell someone you would do something for a set price and then tell them you cant when they drive 3 hours to meet you to get it done?
Two, what do mods have to do with simply changing the fuel tables all across the board -30%?
Three, why would you say you cant help them but for around $200-$300 you MIGHT be able to get them a little closer to where they want to be?
To end, please make sure you dont misunderstand this post... I am NOT trying to start a big stupid internet fight and I am not trying to be mean in any way but I am trying to figure out why you did the things you did. I hope we can meet up again (Maybe at the DSM Shootout we can get drunk together.. I hear your a great a guy to party with
)
I never got around to finding the post i made earlier about reflashing the ECU to compensate for injectors.
I dont know if you remember but we came down to Chicago to have you reflash my ECU to compensate for the injectors. When I got there you asked what mods I had and I told you my laundry list of crap. GT35r, Intake Manifold, Injectors, etc, etc...
You then told me that you couldn't tune for just the injectors but before you said you could for me for like $80 here:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=133070
Then, after I told you that you already said you could, you told me that you would be able to provide some help for $200 but even then I would need to tune the car myself and just use your tune for a basic start which wouldn't really do too much for me because of my mods and i would be better off doing it myself because you didn't even know where to start. You also told me about the one other guy with the GT35R that you tuned and it took you a whole day of tuning to get it close. I guess I really didnt understand much of why you could tune some cars but not others.
I was also very confused why you said you couldn't do anything to help with my fuel because I had an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. What would that have anything to do with tuning fuel aside from making it easier? On top of that I wasn't even asking for you to "tune" anything... just simply lean it out across the board around 30% (Wouldnt need any knowledge of mods to do this).
Then you told me that you are a business man and you couldn't really do much with peoples cars like mine for the same price because it could somehow hurt your business? Or you couldnt do small things to peoples cars for cheaper rates aside from fully tuning them for $200 and up? I dont get it. Im not trying to bash you or anything so dont get pissed off and dont other people reading this get pissed off but I do think you could have helped me out. I like building friends in many places, especially people that have built decent reputations in certain areas or get recommended by mutual acquintances but I was honestly pretty upset about driving all the way down there and then getting nothing done.
Lastly, at the end you told me that I should just go buy an EMS and that I would be much happier with it. Thats fine but if I want to keep the stock ECU for whatever reasons I may, I thought your method would be a great way to go. Plus I was going to try to be the first person in the 10's eventually with the stock ECU... obviously that wont happen now. The other strange part about you telling me about the EMS is when you said that you would happily tune that one for me. I understand you went to the school and everything to tune these things but why dont you tune your own car but you would tune customers? That doesnt make much sense to me.. I could be wrong completely so dont take offence to it if I am incorrect but I thought Sean Ivey tuned your racecar for you.
All in all, I was pretty upset with the whole experience. I drove all the way down there and got absolutely nothing for my trip except a recommendation to get an EMS. I still to this day cant see how changing the whole fuel table to be 30% leaner could be at all difficult nor can I see how any modifications could change this (Especially an aftermarket pressure regulator set at stock pressure to boot). Technically that should make it easier to tune considering you would never need to wonder if it is being over run or not and you know the exact pressure of it and dont need to guess but that is if I even wanted a tune... i just wanted to lean it out across the board regardless of the o2's that would result. That would have been my job.
It seemed like the main reason you wouldnt help me is because you knew I could tune the car and just needed a quick fix from you to help but would rather make a bunch of money and slap your name on it then help someone out for a price you already agreed on and then let them tune thier own car and they may never say anything about you at all. I guess i still dont understand the whole thing and Im hoping that you could help answer it for me.
One, why would you tell someone you would do something for a set price and then tell them you cant when they drive 3 hours to meet you to get it done?
Two, what do mods have to do with simply changing the fuel tables all across the board -30%?
Three, why would you say you cant help them but for around $200-$300 you MIGHT be able to get them a little closer to where they want to be?
To end, please make sure you dont misunderstand this post... I am NOT trying to start a big stupid internet fight and I am not trying to be mean in any way but I am trying to figure out why you did the things you did. I hope we can meet up again (Maybe at the DSM Shootout we can get drunk together.. I hear your a great a guy to party with
)
I still want other people to know what experience I did have. That to me is one the best things on a forum... not plain vendor bashing with no merit but when people have legitimate concerns or things that happened and post it in a polite business like way than I believe it to be a great post. Otherwise, how would people learn how what vendors to go with? What vendors act like what.. who has good work, bad customer service, great products.
Without posts that are not all great and honkey dorey saying how great thier experience was with any said vendor all we would do is create more of the all powerful super shops that arent anything special... not trying to be an @ss again but take Buschur Racing for example. I have had great customer service with David and his shop does do great things... but sometimes it is ridiculous on how people on this forum think he is an almighty damned god. Same with things I read about Shiv with all his magical powers. It sometimes makes me wonder how anyone has any difference in thier cars at all.
Damn near all of the normal people on this forum get these 'kits' and are in some stages with thier car. I think it is stupid how people try to classify thier cars into a stage. A kit is a fine marketing tool but it has the opposite effect in this field for some reason. Most companies, take a clothing company or a food company. You buy a kit or buy in a bulk and it is cheaper. For some reason, when you buy a 'kit' from a vendor it ends up costing more than if you pieced it together yourself.... figure that one out.
I am in a mood of letting all these things out so people can finally understand how things truly are. Im getting sick of people asking me all the time whos kit I am using or what stage my car is. I dont have any 'kit' in the car... i guess its all the same spark plugs I got in a group so maybe that is a kit.... I dunno. And the stage... well I figure every part i put in the car raised the stage so it must be on stage 237 or so. Im really not sure, never cared to count.
I guess I am really sick of people trying to modify thier car before they even know roughly or even have any idea of how a car even works. They are trying to tune cars they dont even understand what they are doing moreless how to make it better. I dont know all that much either compared to alot of people but it seems stupid on some of these people on how little they know and expect to have great results. Maybe I am just pissy I dunno.
But at any rate... to fully answer your question, I would like to have Al answer on a public forum not in an E-mail or private message. Some of the things I had happen should be allowed for other people to read. Maybe by me posting it, some other poor person wont drive 3 hours and then get screwed when they get there. Also, maybe this will help other people, not only Al, but lots of vendors change the way they do thier business. If they dont do small tuning tasks for their customers they should plainly say that. Not elude to the point and never give a reason. I want Al to answer me and explain some of these things. He could have at least told me beforehand that he was wrong and would not help me instead of letting me drive all the way down there. At least if this is on a forum he can respond to me or any other people and it ensures that both people get to say what they feel and ensuring that we both read it. If I just send an Email or PM I would have to hope to get a response and also hope to get a reasonable response. Like I said, I in no way dont like Al. He seems like a great guy and I have heard some great things about him. I also really like my best friend... it doesnt mean I need to like or agree with everything that they do. So think of this as the same type of thing...
Without posts that are not all great and honkey dorey saying how great thier experience was with any said vendor all we would do is create more of the all powerful super shops that arent anything special... not trying to be an @ss again but take Buschur Racing for example. I have had great customer service with David and his shop does do great things... but sometimes it is ridiculous on how people on this forum think he is an almighty damned god. Same with things I read about Shiv with all his magical powers. It sometimes makes me wonder how anyone has any difference in thier cars at all.
Damn near all of the normal people on this forum get these 'kits' and are in some stages with thier car. I think it is stupid how people try to classify thier cars into a stage. A kit is a fine marketing tool but it has the opposite effect in this field for some reason. Most companies, take a clothing company or a food company. You buy a kit or buy in a bulk and it is cheaper. For some reason, when you buy a 'kit' from a vendor it ends up costing more than if you pieced it together yourself.... figure that one out.
I am in a mood of letting all these things out so people can finally understand how things truly are. Im getting sick of people asking me all the time whos kit I am using or what stage my car is. I dont have any 'kit' in the car... i guess its all the same spark plugs I got in a group so maybe that is a kit.... I dunno. And the stage... well I figure every part i put in the car raised the stage so it must be on stage 237 or so. Im really not sure, never cared to count.
I guess I am really sick of people trying to modify thier car before they even know roughly or even have any idea of how a car even works. They are trying to tune cars they dont even understand what they are doing moreless how to make it better. I dont know all that much either compared to alot of people but it seems stupid on some of these people on how little they know and expect to have great results. Maybe I am just pissy I dunno.
But at any rate... to fully answer your question, I would like to have Al answer on a public forum not in an E-mail or private message. Some of the things I had happen should be allowed for other people to read. Maybe by me posting it, some other poor person wont drive 3 hours and then get screwed when they get there. Also, maybe this will help other people, not only Al, but lots of vendors change the way they do thier business. If they dont do small tuning tasks for their customers they should plainly say that. Not elude to the point and never give a reason. I want Al to answer me and explain some of these things. He could have at least told me beforehand that he was wrong and would not help me instead of letting me drive all the way down there. At least if this is on a forum he can respond to me or any other people and it ensures that both people get to say what they feel and ensuring that we both read it. If I just send an Email or PM I would have to hope to get a response and also hope to get a reasonable response. Like I said, I in no way dont like Al. He seems like a great guy and I have heard some great things about him. I also really like my best friend... it doesnt mean I need to like or agree with everything that they do. So think of this as the same type of thing...
Just out of curiousity... wouldnt other people like yourself like to know why Al would state that price in that thread and then when I tried to get it done he decided not to do it unless I wanted to pay $200 or more for a tune.
Couldn't say, I've never dealt with dynoflash.
Alot of people seem very happy.
I myself would explore other avenues from other vendors.
I personally prefer WORKS.
I'm wondering if you based your complete expectations on that thread.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=133070
Did you clarify or communicate beyond that thread ?
I can't take sides... what do I know, I'm just a noo_bie.
Alot of people seem very happy.
I myself would explore other avenues from other vendors.
I personally prefer WORKS.
I'm wondering if you based your complete expectations on that thread.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=133070
Did you clarify or communicate beyond that thread ?
I can't take sides... what do I know, I'm just a noo_bie.
Maybe your flash is a tough one with all your mods. I don't think it is that simple to just take 30% acrossed the board on the fuel "Leaning" in my opinion.If he gave you that I would be surprised (he would not suggest it to you). I also feel Al could take the time and give you a proper flash. With your mods I would not want just take 30% fuel out.
With your mods I would have went to a stand alone.
Just call Al and he will explane it.
With your mods I would have went to a stand alone.
Just call Al and he will explane it.
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IF YOU WILL LOOK at the original post you dont tell me that you have a car with fully built motor, GT35 - aftermarket fuel pressure regulator, etc etc etc (I cant remember all the details but your car was heavily modified).
You asked me to quote a price - To trim injectors on a otherwise stock car - eg. usual bolt ons is $80
In your case - I would need to do at least hook up a wide band 02 sesnor to custom write a base map for your set us as your aftermarket fuel pressure regulator changes the ramp up on the rising rate of the fuel pressure
In relality ONLY a custom tune should be done on your car
Sure - I would like to take $80 off you - but when I know that taking $80 is NOT going to get you the proper job and is going to potentially cause serious problems with your car - then I would rather DECLINE to take your $80 than to do a bad job
I would rather have you telling everyone how I declined to take your money than have you complaining that your motor was blown up after my $80 flash
As I told you the night I met you several weeks ago - in your case a AEM stand alone is what you need.
In conclusion - I reserve the right - ALWAYS - to DECLINE to tune any car that I am not comfortable tuning - PERIOD.
I have done this two times now out of the hundreds I have tuned and in both cases I am very glad that i chose not to accept the job.
Sorry I could not have been of service to you - but my reputation is more important than $80
See you at the shootout
IF YOU WILL LOOK at the original post you dont tell me that you have a car with fully built motor, GT35 - aftermarket fuel pressure regulator, etc etc etc (I cant remember all the details but your car was heavily modified).
You asked me to quote a price - To trim injectors on a otherwise stock car - eg. usual bolt ons is $80
In your case - I would need to do at least hook up a wide band 02 sesnor to custom write a base map for your set us as your aftermarket fuel pressure regulator changes the ramp up on the rising rate of the fuel pressure
In relality ONLY a custom tune should be done on your car
Sure - I would like to take $80 off you - but when I know that taking $80 is NOT going to get you the proper job and is going to potentially cause serious problems with your car - then I would rather DECLINE to take your $80 than to do a bad job
I would rather have you telling everyone how I declined to take your money than have you complaining that your motor was blown up after my $80 flash
As I told you the night I met you several weeks ago - in your case a AEM stand alone is what you need.
In conclusion - I reserve the right - ALWAYS - to DECLINE to tune any car that I am not comfortable tuning - PERIOD.
I have done this two times now out of the hundreds I have tuned and in both cases I am very glad that i chose not to accept the job.
Sorry I could not have been of service to you - but my reputation is more important than $80
See you at the shootout
Originally Posted by TrinaBabe
I still want other people to know what experience I did have. That to me is one the best things on a forum... not plain vendor bashing with no merit but when people have legitimate concerns or things that happened and post it in a polite business like way than I believe it to be a great post. Otherwise, how would people learn how what vendors to go with? What vendors act like what.. who has good work, bad customer service, great products.
Without posts that are not all great and honkey dorey saying how great thier experience was with any said vendor all we would do is create more of the all powerful super shops that arent anything special... not trying to be an @ss again but take Buschur Racing for example. I have had great customer service with David and his shop does do great things... but sometimes it is ridiculous on how people on this forum think he is an almighty damned god. Same with things I read about Shiv with all his magical powers. It sometimes makes me wonder how anyone has any difference in thier cars at all.
Damn near all of the normal people on this forum get these 'kits' and are in some stages with thier car. I think it is stupid how people try to classify thier cars into a stage. A kit is a fine marketing tool but it has the opposite effect in this field for some reason. Most companies, take a clothing company or a food company. You buy a kit or buy in a bulk and it is cheaper. For some reason, when you buy a 'kit' from a vendor it ends up costing more than if you pieced it together yourself.... figure that one out.
I am in a mood of letting all these things out so people can finally understand how things truly are. Im getting sick of people asking me all the time whos kit I am using or what stage my car is. I dont have any 'kit' in the car... i guess its all the same spark plugs I got in a group so maybe that is a kit.... I dunno. And the stage... well I figure every part i put in the car raised the stage so it must be on stage 237 or so. Im really not sure, never cared to count.
I guess I am really sick of people trying to modify thier car before they even know roughly or even have any idea of how a car even works. They are trying to tune cars they dont even understand what they are doing moreless how to make it better. I dont know all that much either compared to alot of people but it seems stupid on some of these people on how little they know and expect to have great results. Maybe I am just pissy I dunno.
But at any rate... to fully answer your question, I would like to have Al answer on a public forum not in an E-mail or private message. Some of the things I had happen should be allowed for other people to read. Maybe by me posting it, some other poor person wont drive 3 hours and then get screwed when they get there. Also, maybe this will help other people, not only Al, but lots of vendors change the way they do thier business. If they dont do small tuning tasks for their customers they should plainly say that. Not elude to the point and never give a reason. I want Al to answer me and explain some of these things. He could have at least told me beforehand that he was wrong and would not help me instead of letting me drive all the way down there. At least if this is on a forum he can respond to me or any other people and it ensures that both people get to say what they feel and ensuring that we both read it. If I just send an Email or PM I would have to hope to get a response and also hope to get a reasonable response. Like I said, I in no way dont like Al. He seems like a great guy and I have heard some great things about him. I also really like my best friend... it doesnt mean I need to like or agree with everything that they do. So think of this as the same type of thing...
Without posts that are not all great and honkey dorey saying how great thier experience was with any said vendor all we would do is create more of the all powerful super shops that arent anything special... not trying to be an @ss again but take Buschur Racing for example. I have had great customer service with David and his shop does do great things... but sometimes it is ridiculous on how people on this forum think he is an almighty damned god. Same with things I read about Shiv with all his magical powers. It sometimes makes me wonder how anyone has any difference in thier cars at all.
Damn near all of the normal people on this forum get these 'kits' and are in some stages with thier car. I think it is stupid how people try to classify thier cars into a stage. A kit is a fine marketing tool but it has the opposite effect in this field for some reason. Most companies, take a clothing company or a food company. You buy a kit or buy in a bulk and it is cheaper. For some reason, when you buy a 'kit' from a vendor it ends up costing more than if you pieced it together yourself.... figure that one out.
I am in a mood of letting all these things out so people can finally understand how things truly are. Im getting sick of people asking me all the time whos kit I am using or what stage my car is. I dont have any 'kit' in the car... i guess its all the same spark plugs I got in a group so maybe that is a kit.... I dunno. And the stage... well I figure every part i put in the car raised the stage so it must be on stage 237 or so. Im really not sure, never cared to count.
I guess I am really sick of people trying to modify thier car before they even know roughly or even have any idea of how a car even works. They are trying to tune cars they dont even understand what they are doing moreless how to make it better. I dont know all that much either compared to alot of people but it seems stupid on some of these people on how little they know and expect to have great results. Maybe I am just pissy I dunno.
But at any rate... to fully answer your question, I would like to have Al answer on a public forum not in an E-mail or private message. Some of the things I had happen should be allowed for other people to read. Maybe by me posting it, some other poor person wont drive 3 hours and then get screwed when they get there. Also, maybe this will help other people, not only Al, but lots of vendors change the way they do thier business. If they dont do small tuning tasks for their customers they should plainly say that. Not elude to the point and never give a reason. I want Al to answer me and explain some of these things. He could have at least told me beforehand that he was wrong and would not help me instead of letting me drive all the way down there. At least if this is on a forum he can respond to me or any other people and it ensures that both people get to say what they feel and ensuring that we both read it. If I just send an Email or PM I would have to hope to get a response and also hope to get a reasonable response. Like I said, I in no way dont like Al. He seems like a great guy and I have heard some great things about him. I also really like my best friend... it doesnt mean I need to like or agree with everything that they do. So think of this as the same type of thing...
Basically to summarize the issues between you and I - you wanted to get your injector maps trimmed for $80 and I sadly could not do it becuase your car was too highly modified.
I am sorry that you had to drive to visit me - but keep in mind that I had to fly to chicago pay my hotel, rental car and air fare to be theree to do busines.
As I said before - I would rather turn down $80 than risk damaging your engine
I think if you had issues with this you should have dealt with them to my face the night in question - several weeks ago. I could have come to a resolution with you then and there.
You have no customer service issues with Dyno Flash as you are not a customer.
Thanks again.