oh cuz Al was saying that the car was already flashed... implying that the flashed ecu had something to do with his tune on top of that?

 

Why can't you understand? that quote u got is for a STOCK car w/o flash

but in your case... you have a flash already install before the dynoflash.. that's why u didn't get that that "20-25 HP"

o.. btw, the $550 u paid is NOT just for that 2 whp... you have a safer and smoother car to drive than before....

 

NOW we are getting soemwhere !!!!!!!!

PLEASE make sure your tuner then RETUNES the car with particular focus on the ign timing from 5,000 to red line

Your a/f is already perfect so its my theory that the reason why your car is not making any power is becuase the extra harmonic noise from the crank pulley is causing the car to pull ign timing up top

Without the crank pulley the tuner MA be able to set a higher timing degree in that rpms area and also prob down low in the spool up zone

Best of luck and do let us know how it works out

 

I think we are beating a dead horse here

Just wanted to say to you that you yourself stated about that the car ran smoother and better after the retune

TO ME - if you can make the car smoother and safer while keeping the same power as a very lean and rough tune - thats a GOOD RESULT

In your case - that was not satisfactory to YOU - you wanted more whp period. Sometimes you have to look beyond tuning to get additional whp gains - sometimes you need bolt ons sometimes things are not right with your paricular car.

All I know is that your car was tuned smoothly and safely when it left my hanbs - as confirmed by the dyno pulls we did at www.turbochargers.com which showed nice trq gains and a smooth power band and safe rich 11.0 a/f's

This situation should also serve as an example - sometimes we are able to beat other tuners tunes by a significant amount.

Sometimes IF THE CAR IS ALREADY tuned we may loose whp.

When we guarantee 20 - 25 whp gains with the Dyno Flash that is from a stock car with no ecu tuning modification.

Your car made like 255 before you got the works flash so its clear that BOTH reflashes made a significant gain in the power department.

While we are able to make decent gains over other tuner's flashes on some cars - its obvious that in some cases like yours the car may be maxed out already and have little room for improvement other than in the smoothness and saftey margin area

We have a 100% satisfaction guarantee - IF you did not like the result ALL you had to do was tell me at the time of your tune and I would have handed you back your payment and reflashed you back to stock. Obviously you did not choose to do that. If you wanted to work this out with me you could have called me back.

I don;t know where you are going with this threa. You're a good guy and I spent almost 3 hours with you trying to tune your car. I certainly don;t want to get into a pissing match with you here. However, I feel a need to respond here to provide information so people will know the reality of the sitauation

Basically - we bend over backwards and forwards to do the best every time we can on each and every tune. It really bothers me when I have someone like this who is displeased. I would have perfered if we could have continued to work on this situation with my recomendations and see where we got. Sadly it seems that now you dumped a lot more loot into this Apexi ecu and still are not getting good power.

Again - I'm really sorry that I could not make you another satisfied Dyno Flash customer - I did the best I could for you

 

I do understand!

So you're saying that " Works re flash" is bad and more or less should not be installed in anyone cars, because it’s not safe?

And on the stock car quote, I talk with Big Al prior to signing up for the Dynoflash. He even said I should see at least a 10-12 hp over a Mail order re flash.

I have not asked for any of my money back or do I intend too. Big Al did work with my car for approximately 3 hrs, so he made his money.

This will be my last post on this also. Big Al has a lot of people behind him and Im just one person, so no matter what I say /or do I will be wrong.


I did not start the tread to fight with people on here or with Big Al. Just want to make my statement I was not happy with my Dyno numbers

 

Your opinion matters even if you are just one. I would however have suggested you allow Al a chance to fix it before buying the Power FC (though I think it is great and have one in my EVO). As you said, you spent alot of money and I am sure Al would have made it right if given the opportunity.

I don't own his products, but I can tell you that he does a really good job of keeping his customers happy as evidenced on this forum.

 

Its just sad that we could not have added Mike to th list of happy guys with big power

Here are a few recent examples of guys with no cams and similar mods making much more power with just my reflash

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=69145

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=68981

 

Here's a story for you:

When Al came to MD to tune a bunch of Evos for the DC Evo Club, every single person (except me) made a bagful more power and torque. Al got to my car and told me the same thing: If my car was already safe and he couldn't make more power, he wouldn't charge me. Well it turns out I was running 14.5 AFRs (DANGEROUSLY lean) and knocking all over the place. Al suggested we bring those down to 11.1 and get my car safe. Al also told me he thought I'd lose about 10 whp after that. To me, the safety net plus the smoother powerband was worth the net loss. Keep in mind I had a flash from the best tuner you've never heard of (Al's guru), but my AFRs were screwed up after I installed some more mods.

Al is conscious about improving Evo performance and I believe his philosophy. Originally I didn't intend on doing the Dynoflash that day, but his methodology convinced me. I am glad I did it, even with a net loss. Now when Al comes back later this month, I plan regaining that lost power with my boost controller and fuel pump. The next day I'll be on the dyno...

Chris (with the blue Evo that Al got sideways leaving Agile... )

 

Two different flashes and a stand alone all within a few HP? I'd be looking for the one think all three had in common the stock knock sensor..none of these solutions are producing power cause something is limiting timing. AKA the detonation sensor...

 

Tx, Dude. I went thru a very similar situation as u did ,as far as low hp numbers and I let Big Al know I was not happy with the #'s. Not the tune which was great as far as safety, reliability, and smoothness, just the hp was down for the amount of mods I had. The difference was I took his advice removed the crank pulley, let him reflash he worked his ***** off and then.....big hp and torque numbers just like he promised. And trust me man, I commute 400 miles a week, this is my daily driver and daily pounded on car, and I can't be happier with the results: big numbers in hp/trq. but most importantly which is where u missed the whole point SAFELY TUNED AIR/FUEL ratio, and an IGNITION MAP thats working for u, not against you!! U would have given Big Al the benefit of the doubt, like I did and I can guarantee the 2 hp issue would have been a thing of the past, u would have seen at least 300/300 and saved urself the headache and maybe even a few bucks.....And Dude dont think I'm bashing cuz I'm not, I just went thru the same thing u did and was just as pissed off, I just gave him a chance to prove himself right and he sure as hell did exactly that. 360+ customers cant be all wrong. Take the pulley off, try again, heck u already have the other unit, u got nothing to lose and a hell of a lot more to gain. If it does not work then put it back and say HAH!!!, but trust me man.....BEEN THERE,DONE THAT it was the damn pulley........Good luck anyways, sorry for the long rant, just figured u might wanna hear from someone who was just as dissapointed as u were at one particular point, and is now much happier.. DA-4BANGA