My take on Dynoflash
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From: Southern Cali
most of us who got done *********** by Al were more pissed about the way we were treated and the fact that HE DIENIES AND REFUSED to give you a refund even though he "guarantees" it just the same as his "re-sale" option which he charges $50 for a $17 shipping fee and the rest is "electricity and laybor" fees. His laptop is the size of texas and he needs to hire 50 workers for 9 hour shifts to baseflash someones car. If he would have simply refunded those who he screwed instead of blaming problems on them or their cars he wouldnt be in this mess.
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Last edited by Speedlimit; Sep 8, 2004 at 07:51 AM.
As I stated b4
Originally Posted by XRS-Lift
most of us who got done *********** by Al were more pissed about the way we were treated and the fact that HE DIENIES AND REFUSED to give you a refund even though he "guarantees" it just the same as his "re-sale" option which he charges $50 for a $17 shipping fee and the rest is "electricity and laybor" fees. His laptop is the size of texas and he needs to hire 50 workers for 9 hour shifts to baseflash someones car. If he would have simply refunded those who he screwed instead of blaming problems on them or their cars he wouldnt be in this mess.
Last edited by Speedlimit; Sep 8, 2004 at 07:53 AM.
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From: SoCal
Originally Posted by jason@NTEC
whats funny is my best friend has all the same mods minus the cams and puts more whp out than you on a more conservative dyno(the dyno we use base lines an evo at 218whp). hes running a turbo trix mail-in flash because he was unhappy with his dyno flash, the best part is turbo trix charged absolutly nothing for this flash. guess if your happy with what you've got then thats great, but the reason other people get pissed is because there are better products out there for your money.
p.s. the dynoflash he had was tuned in person by al, it wasnt a mail in like the turbo trix was and his a/f ratio runs perfect.
p.s. the dynoflash he had was tuned in person by al, it wasnt a mail in like the turbo trix was and his a/f ratio runs perfect.
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From: North Mexico (Inland Empire)
Yeah go run your 13s and tell us how happy you are with his flash. Guy down here with same setup as you is stuck in the low 13s with his dynoflash. I predict 12.9 maybe 12.8 at 106 mph since 93-94 oct is the norm down there. If you are happy with that so be it.I might be a lil optimistic but you will be in the 13s as much as your in the high 12s.Good luck and take it to the track and post how happy you are after you see how you compare to other modded Evos.
Originally Posted by drmosh
I don't understand... is Turbotrix giving out free flashes?? Can't beat that price!!
Originally Posted by makaveli_31
Hi everybody, I'm not a high volume poster, so most of you may be reading my words for the first time. This past saturday I participated in the Dynoflash day at Pruven Performance along with several other EVO owners from around the Northeast. I was there for the 9:30 to 11:00 appointment and arrived at around 9:20. Al was working on someone else's car and was running a little late. But with everything said and done, he began to tune my car at around 10:15 and finished at about 11:20 and I was welcomed to watch at all times.
My mods are in my signature and my dynosheet is attached below but the peak numbers, 304whp/330 lb-ft of torque are similar to what other tuners/dynos have gotten with similar mods (Again, SIMILAR, maybe a little lower, higher correction, whatever). During my test drive and my subsequent 100 mile back to New Jersey, I noticed significant improvements in both the magnitude and the quality of my power curve.
With this said, I have no vested interest in Al's product being made more popular or less popular or if his business succeeds or fails. I am, I believe, like most of you here, that is I simply want the best for my hard earned money. This custom tune by Al cost me all of $275 and gained me around 30whp and 45lbft of torque. I did not observe any dyno-shenanigans or anything like that (they did spray down the Intercooler with a water sprayer and also the intake manifold, but I have seen this done elsewhere as well). I am not blind to the fact that there are vishnu guys on here or guys with EMS tuned by Turbotrix that may be making more power (even safely and reliably) but I don't think anyone will argue that I would have paid significantly more money for those things and, in the case of Shiv, logistics (him being in San Fran) are an issue.
As far as Al's customer service is concerned, I think that is a matter of personal opinion and the particular encounter. Yes, the man curses a lot, yes he banters a bit, but in the end, he answered my questions, gave me the tune I needed and was very polite both to me and to my Father (who accompanied me to see if it was worthwhile for him to start playing with his EVO).
So the simple question is, was what I received this saturday worth my $275? absolutely? are there ways I could be making more power? probably. For less or equal money? Tell me if there is, because I will use it.
Sorry for the long post. Peace everybody.
My mods are in my signature and my dynosheet is attached below but the peak numbers, 304whp/330 lb-ft of torque are similar to what other tuners/dynos have gotten with similar mods (Again, SIMILAR, maybe a little lower, higher correction, whatever). During my test drive and my subsequent 100 mile back to New Jersey, I noticed significant improvements in both the magnitude and the quality of my power curve.
With this said, I have no vested interest in Al's product being made more popular or less popular or if his business succeeds or fails. I am, I believe, like most of you here, that is I simply want the best for my hard earned money. This custom tune by Al cost me all of $275 and gained me around 30whp and 45lbft of torque. I did not observe any dyno-shenanigans or anything like that (they did spray down the Intercooler with a water sprayer and also the intake manifold, but I have seen this done elsewhere as well). I am not blind to the fact that there are vishnu guys on here or guys with EMS tuned by Turbotrix that may be making more power (even safely and reliably) but I don't think anyone will argue that I would have paid significantly more money for those things and, in the case of Shiv, logistics (him being in San Fran) are an issue.
As far as Al's customer service is concerned, I think that is a matter of personal opinion and the particular encounter. Yes, the man curses a lot, yes he banters a bit, but in the end, he answered my questions, gave me the tune I needed and was very polite both to me and to my Father (who accompanied me to see if it was worthwhile for him to start playing with his EVO).
So the simple question is, was what I received this saturday worth my $275? absolutely? are there ways I could be making more power? probably. For less or equal money? Tell me if there is, because I will use it.
Sorry for the long post. Peace everybody.
Originally Posted by 4-BNGR
Why were you only making 270whp with cams. I thought that bpu's and cams should yield somewhere in the 300awhp range. I thought that I've seen Al's tunes make 320awhp with your mods. Maybe this is Walbro related?
His post tune numbers were in the low range of what we see - mostly due to high 90 degree heat and humidity. On a cooler day his car should make 10 more whp at least.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Without proper ecu mapping and with the walbro pump it is hard to yield proper power from the cams.
His post tune numbers were in the low range of what we see - mostly due to high 90 degree heat and humidity. On a cooler day his car should make 10 more whp at least.
His post tune numbers were in the low range of what we see - mostly due to high 90 degree heat and humidity. On a cooler day his car should make 10 more whp at least.
Got it
Also, let's not forget there is a car to car variance of up to 20 whp sometimes.
In addition, if you show up to a dyno day with a bad batch of gas, you're not gonna get great results.
In addition, if you show up to a dyno day with a bad batch of gas, you're not gonna get great results.
Al provides a service, plain & simple. How is it, that al makes good power on a majority of cars & crap on others? This happens with other vendors too.
There are more happy dyno flash customers than pissd ones. Other vendors have problem cars too & there have been negative posts regarding those.
People deal with their problems differently.
Unfortunetley al, you deal with a lot people & some of them are snivelers.
I would like to believe, if a certain ca. customer conducted manners in a differnent way, his money would have refunded.
After reading his problem post & a lot of his other non related posts, he comes off as a bleeding **** & I wouldnt have refunded his money either.
Be civil when dealing with vendors & they too will be civil with you.
Remember, your knock sensor will give you dyno sheet the biggest d!ck of all & thats not al's fault, he's just tuning to a knock value. Knock is 1 of the bigger limiting factors when tuning these evo's.
There are more happy dyno flash customers than pissd ones. Other vendors have problem cars too & there have been negative posts regarding those.
People deal with their problems differently.
Unfortunetley al, you deal with a lot people & some of them are snivelers.
I would like to believe, if a certain ca. customer conducted manners in a differnent way, his money would have refunded.
After reading his problem post & a lot of his other non related posts, he comes off as a bleeding **** & I wouldnt have refunded his money either.
Be civil when dealing with vendors & they too will be civil with you.
Remember, your knock sensor will give you dyno sheet the biggest d!ck of all & thats not al's fault, he's just tuning to a knock value. Knock is 1 of the bigger limiting factors when tuning these evo's.
Originally Posted by IE Evo
Yeah go run your 13s and tell us how happy you are with his flash. Guy down here with same setup as you is stuck in the low 13s with his dynoflash. I predict 12.9 maybe 12.8 at 106 mph since 93-94 oct is the norm down there. If you are happy with that so be it.I might be a lil optimistic but you will be in the 13s as much as your in the high 12s.Good luck and take it to the track and post how happy you are after you see how you compare to other modded Evos.
who is running 13's? I ran 12.8 with dynoflash MBC and muff delete pipe in the dead of a southern summer.
please think before you act for once.
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From: Southern Cali
Originally Posted by WOT
I would like to believe, if a certain ca. customer conducted manners in a differnent way, his money would have refunded.
Be civil when dealing with vendors & they too will be civil with you.
Be civil when dealing with vendors & they too will be civil with you.
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From: Omaha, NE
Originally Posted by XRS-Lift
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Is it really? Thats funny cuz the buscher stage 1 and nothing else does
1/4 ET- 12.94
1/4 MPH- 108.06
on the track. STRAIGHT from buschers site.
So ur dynoflash got you MINUS 3.06 mph and a WHOPPING 00.08 seconds! AMAZING. Maybe i was wrong about dynoTRASH. $200 for being treated like a piece of shet and a slower car. Why did i ever remove it from my car?
Is it really? Thats funny cuz the buscher stage 1 and nothing else does
1/4 ET- 12.94
1/4 MPH- 108.06
on the track. STRAIGHT from buschers site.
So ur dynoflash got you MINUS 3.06 mph and a WHOPPING 00.08 seconds! AMAZING. Maybe i was wrong about dynoTRASH. $200 for being treated like a piece of shet and a slower car. Why did i ever remove it from my car?