E85 vs. 100 octane
I am looking to retune this spring on either E85 or 100 octane. A local gas city carries both but I would like to hear your feedback as to which will make more power.
The car has all the bolt ons plus 272's and a Green turbo. Currently I use 93 + meth and the car dyno'ed 348hp/373tq. This was on the stock turbo. I am hoping to clear 400hp/tq. The car will mainly be used for road racing, not a daily driver.
I like the idea of E85 and more gas stations are carrying it which will make it easier for me to fill up. If I use the 100 octane then I have to monitor the tank much closer to be sure I am not stuck in BFE looking for high octane. The downside to E85 is that I will need to run a second walbro.
What does everyone think will gain the most power?
The car has all the bolt ons plus 272's and a Green turbo. Currently I use 93 + meth and the car dyno'ed 348hp/373tq. This was on the stock turbo. I am hoping to clear 400hp/tq. The car will mainly be used for road racing, not a daily driver.
I like the idea of E85 and more gas stations are carrying it which will make it easier for me to fill up. If I use the 100 octane then I have to monitor the tank much closer to be sure I am not stuck in BFE looking for high octane. The downside to E85 is that I will need to run a second walbro.
What does everyone think will gain the most power?

Eric
Yes you will. That's not to say you can't run it with one, you absolutely can, but to maximize the potential and be safe you need a dual unit.
You can get unleaded 100 and leaded 110 in LI NY , I've being running a mix of 100/110 when racing. There's a gas station on Rt 112 north of the LIE but they only sell 100 and there is another Cam 2 pump in West Hempstead exit 17 south of the Southern State they carry both 100 and 110.
E85 has better cooling because of the alcohol. This allows you to run higher boost and more advanced timing. Stoich for E85 is about 9.7 as opposed to 14.5 for regular gas. Gas has more energy per unit but because of the lower stoich number, you can and need to run more E85 to get to that stoichiometric level. This means that the amount of energy per charge is basically equal. However you typically get cooler intake temps and a much less tendancy to knock (hence the higher equivalent octane rating). I would go with E85 not because you can get more power necesarrily but because you can get safer power (IMO).
according to this official web site http://www.e85fuel.com/ E85 is 105 oct.
True, but you have to run at least 40% more fuel on boost with E85 to match straight gas. So 76,000 x 1.4 = 106400 btu's. Plus from the additional fuel being burned, the cylinder temps are way colder which allow for more boost without pre-ignition. Last but not least, the extra fuel means more cylinder pressure, better spool, and more torque vs. gas.
Ethanol has ~ 76,000 BTU's per gallon
E85 has ~ 83,000
Gasoline has 114,000
You will mix that gallon with air, at stoich 14.7 parts of air for gas and only 9.8 parts of air for E85, therefore your gallon will be good for:
E85: 83,000 / 9.8 = 8,469 BTU's
Gas: 114,000 / 14.7 = 7,755 BTU's
E85 contains more energy in a mix than gas. It's quite simple.
Important thing to remember it doesn't matter how much energy a certain fuel contains - you can't burn just fuel, it has to be "diluted" with air. Think about nitromethane, it has what - 32,000 BTU's per gallon, so who would use that ****, right? Wrong - it only needs 2 parts of air to burn, making 32,000/2 = 16,000 BTU's in the mixture.
E85 has ~ 83,000
Gasoline has 114,000
You will mix that gallon with air, at stoich 14.7 parts of air for gas and only 9.8 parts of air for E85, therefore your gallon will be good for:
E85: 83,000 / 9.8 = 8,469 BTU's
Gas: 114,000 / 14.7 = 7,755 BTU's
E85 contains more energy in a mix than gas. It's quite simple.
Important thing to remember it doesn't matter how much energy a certain fuel contains - you can't burn just fuel, it has to be "diluted" with air. Think about nitromethane, it has what - 32,000 BTU's per gallon, so who would use that ****, right? Wrong - it only needs 2 parts of air to burn, making 32,000/2 = 16,000 BTU's in the mixture.
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