wow, a dollar a gallon cheaper

 

it seems like health food - they charge what they can get away with because it's "better"

*shrugs*

 

E85 is $2.60 a gallon here. It seems to always be at least a $1.00 less than 92.

 

Man, Cali is always more expensive than anywhere else regardless of what grade of gas you get...

 

I'm paying more for E85 then you are in California!

 

I wonder what the price of E85 would be w/o the federal subsidy? Anyone has a link to what the price would be w/o a subsidy?

 

I dunno but it is costing me WAY more then gas right now, and thats saying something.

 

Do you have a link to the documented current subsidy?
Lots of opinion pieces out there, but few actual documented essays. And those I have found are from a few years ago.

I'm still looking for well documented essays from the past six months.

I always view as a big read flag anything I read on the Internet, or anywhere else for that matter, which is (1) not dated, (2) does not name the author, or (3) provides no references.

That said, here is an undated and undocumented essay on corn ethanol subsidy. It is actually in four parts. It is interesting, although I don't agree with all of the conclusions. More on that shortly.
Introduction
Direct Subsidies
Indirect Subsidies
Total Direct and Indirect Subsidies

The one thing that did impress me was that this is the first essay I've read that brings up the volume variation between gasoline and ethanol. I've read various "facts" on the volume difference - "28%", "30%", and "33%". I'm not sure which is correct, but that really does not matter, IMO.

What does matter is MPG. My mileage went from 18mpg to 15mpg - a reduction of 16.67%. Taking price into consideration, it is of much greater value to actually speak of miles per dollar. On gasoline I was going 0.24 miles per dollar; on E85 I'm going 0.22 miles per $1.00.

What this article leaves out, however, is what I call the "power quotient" - meaning the horse power potential of ethanol vs. gasoline. On gasoline I was going 0.24 miles per dollar at 318whp; on E85 I'm going 0.22 miles per $1.00 at 394whp. So, my cost increased by 8% but my WHP increased by 24%. That is a tremendous value in my book.

As an advantage to economics or fuel economy, the power quotient simply means that a much smaller engine could be used - running on E85 - and producing the same power output as a much larger engine running on gasoline.

Also this article is focused only on corn based ethanol - the most expensive in both resource cost and in production cost. As new sources of ethanol and new productions processes come on-line the entire equation - both economic and environmental - shifts dramatically in favor of ethanol over crude oil.

 

E85 is now 3.83 at this station..IS this the highest in the country or what??

 

Los Angeles E85 is $3.69 today. I would expect Philly to be significantly cheaper than Cali...
http://www.conservfuel.com/

 

I would too. I drove 50 miles away yester and filled up for 3.28, which is acceptable I guess..But the shell in philly just keeps going up, and up, and UP!! 3.839 is the highest price I have seen online or in person throughout the entire country! wtf?
On average thats like a $10.00 difference per fill up then the rest of the country, but I guess since it is the only station around they can pull that kind of stuff off..I'm still waiting for my reach-around lol

 

pete 93 dropped around the corner from my house to 3.99 per gallon

 

Like I said, I'm still waiting for a reach around

 

Yeah, its a dollar a gallon cheaper here too

 

just checked yesterday here in wisconsin.. e85 3.09/gallon..... 91 octane 3.95/gallon.... 110 octane 5.75/ gallon!! e85 coming to this evo Aug. 18th