If you consider me a flash noob, I consider you a tuning noob, I've been tuning stand alone efi since 1998'

 

I have too much respect for the evolutionm on line community and the hard work of the moderators to further participiate in this pointless diatribe

Please carry on

 

A man of his word.

Ok, which is it? Work speak for itself or detracting other tuners by continuing to post in a thread you said you where done with?

 

You know what I see, a bunch of California Emo pansies ganging up on the hardcore East coast/mid west guys. Don't be mad because were faster.

 

Ahaha Emo even. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in this thread. Just asking questions and listening.

 

You do not see me on here making negative comments about the methods other tuners use to tune evos. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat and certainly a lot of ways to tune an evo. It bothers me when people try and tear down other people's work and ideas - and its even worse when they are dead wrong.

The gentleman made a false claim that the ecu can not pull timing if the high and low octane maps are the same

The fact is that the pulling of timing is totally unrelated to the relationship between the so called "high octane" and so called "low octane" maps

No matter which map is active the car will pull timing just the same in relationship to knock activity registered by the knock sensor

Its really ironic that after 4 years of nothing but great reviews and a superb record of reliability and durability on my customer's engines that now all of a sudden all these "experts" who just picked up Ecu Flash a few weeks ago are in a position to school me on how to "safely" tune an evo. I think the serious reality is that IF my methods of tuning were unsafe or did not work the results would not have been as favorable.

Again, I have a track record of hundreds and hundreds of customers driving for years with no problems. I think that speaks for itself.

There is a LOT of activity going on inside the stock ecu which takes a lot of hands on trial and error to fully understand. It took me about 6 months of daily work before I had even a decent understanding of what was going on. Maybe some of these crtitics should spend less time attacking and more time testing ??

 

I'm just here to get banned...........again.

 

Its not worth it

These ecu flash section of the forums is a very useful source of reference for everyone, myself included and I think we ought to have more mutual respect and cooperation here and carry forth in a more mature fashion here.

The moderators here work hard to keep order and do so without compensation so please out of respect for them keep the dlaiouge civil and related to technical issues.

Thanks

 

I'm confused on how he made negative comments about other tuners. He was talking about making the low octane and high octane maps the same. Does it still pull timing because of knock or doesn't. Simple question.

Then I asked, what makes the ECU dip into the low octane map? Extreme knock? Nobody has answered that question yet. Do you know Al?

 

DYNOFLASH MASTER EVO9 TUNER


EFIxMR NOOB TUNER

 

It was civil and they where just going back and forth on different tuning ideas and ways. Then you came back into the thread and then suddenly everybody got defensive and started throwing fire.

 

I am one of your biggest fans

 

Problem is I never even attacked your method simply asked a question. In fact if you read what I wrote I overide the knock sensor too (by making a section of the low/high octane the same) when I feel it warants it.

But if you feel like you need to throw your weight around, and attack my credibility don't act all innocent when your skeletons come out of the closet.

 

Making the low and high octane maps will not override the knock sensor.

To answer the question that razorlab has posted a few times:

1. Yes, the stock ECU will still pull timing if the low/high octane fuel and ignition maps are the same

2. What causes the high/low octane maps to be used? I can only speak for the DSM ECU...perhaps Al can tell us his experience with the Evo ECU.

But, the ECU store a calculated number called the octane number. This number changes due to certain conditions, such as knock, over a period of time. The lower the number, causing the ECU to use the low octane maps.

DSMLink reset this octane number everytime that you started your car, so that you knew that you were always in the high octane maps.

Since I haven't studied the Evo ECU enough, I can't tell you the exact conditions or length of time under those conditions where the low octane maps are used. But they are they basically for the reason of how they are named....if you get a bad tank of gas, lower octane gas, or are just under extreme conditions where your car is more prone to knock (high coolant temps, intake temps, etc) then the octane value in the ECU will be lowered and you will use the low octane maps.

I doubt Al or anyone that knows exactly how this works will simply give the information out freely, but that is basically how it works.


Eric

 

I did some more logs with different fuels:

Mobil:

Phillips 66: