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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 08:03 PM
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ecu a few observations,

like to hear back on anyone's corrections on this,

there must be a coolant temp richening function within the ecu. It looks to me like the afr will go richer when the motor is on the hot side. Not a lot, maybe a third of a point for a normal hot motor.

the darn injector scaling is a nightmare, I've chased my 660s from 520 to 650 and still am subtracting fuel. At each scale along the way the car ran well enough, just had "long" trims.
It looks like the trims are conditional too. A hot motor with a rich cant will be read in the trims. So you have to be careful when reading your trims as to catch them in the norm.
wai* The latencies are not really voltage as indicted by ecuflash but different aspects of engine load during closed loop. Idle would be least, and just before the car goes into open loop would be the highest.


I don't use the stock boost solenoid, but I can see the benefit of it. I would imagine there is a routine that meters boost to throttle and a number of other parameters.
With the ebcs you get basically on and off despite relatively low throttle positions. The draw back being low load cells being hit uncharacteristicly and needing reduced timing as a result. I can't see why else I have had to reduce timing in the 70, 80, 90 columns.

wai= wild assed idea

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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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Which 660's? Denso?
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by nothere
like to hear back on anyone's corrections on this,

there must be a coolant temp richening function within the ecu. It looks to me like the afr will go richer when the motor is on the hot side. Not a lot, maybe a third of a point for a normal hot motor.

the darn injector scaling is a nightmare, I've chased my 660s from 520 to 650 and still am subtracting fuel. At each scale along the way the car ran well enough, just had "long" trims.
It looks like the trims are conditional too. A hot motor with a rich cant will be read in the trims. So you have to be careful when reading your trims as to catch them in the norm.
wai* The latencies are not really voltage as indicted by ecuflash but different aspects of engine load during closed loop. Idle would be least, and just before the car goes into open loop would be the highest.


I don't use the stock boost solenoid, but I can see the benefit of it. I would imagine there is a routine that meters boost to throttle and a number of other parameters.
With the ebcs you get basically on and off despite relatively low throttle positions. The draw back being low load cells being hit uncharacteristicly and needing reduced timing as a result. I can't see why else I have had to reduce timing in the 70, 80, 90 columns.

wai= wild assed idea
That would be becuase your injector latency values are incorrect the stock 560cc injectors are much faster than bigger aftermarket injectors try doing a search for injector latency values for your injectors or have the manufacturer provide them.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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check your pms 3Gturbo
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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found out they are 650 FIC injectors.
also while doing some background searches I discovered I've had the latency concept backwards. correct me if I am wrong now, bigger latency values adds fuel.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nothere
I can't see why else I have had to reduce timing in the 70, 80, 90 columns.
probably because you haven't compensated for the injector change and you're getting back false load information and thus changing the timing in the wrong column.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
probably because you haven't compensated for the injector change and you're getting back false load information and thus changing the timing in the wrong column.
now you have caught my attention. not to divulge anything, but can you clarify that for me.
lets say I have the injectors scaled pretty well and assume for a minute the latencies are not to far off, AFR is right where I want it, is there something I still need to look into.
thanks

lastly I get load cell hits relatively respective to boost/ throttle.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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in mitsulogger you can plug in your new injector cc and latencies
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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thanks Chris

I've been avoiding mitsulogger till it gets updated, I can't get afr out of it at the moment.
definitely look into it though.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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no problem, happy tuning!
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
in mitsulogger you can plug in your new injector cc and latencies
You can change the Load Calculated value in EvoScan as well...just adjust this line:

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<DataListItem DataLog="Y" Color="" Display="Load Calculated" LogReference="LoadCalc" RequestID="00" Eval="5*513*([InjPulseWidth]-(-0.1026*[Battery]+1.8741))/[AFRMAP]" Unit="load" MetricEval="" MetricUnit="" ResponseBytes="1" GaugeMin="0" GaugeMax="500" ChartMin="0" ChartMax="500" Notes="5*InjScaling*([InjPulseWidth]-(-0.1026*[Battery]+1.8741))/[AFRMAP]"/>
And set change the inj scaling from 513 to whatever it is now.

B, if possible see if your rom has the 2 byte load modification posted for it. Make that change and then you won't have to worry about calculated load which is inaccurate anyway.

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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 06:00 AM
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to indicate how antiquated I am, I've been interpreting cell locations by reported timing.
I do have 2byte load ready to go, evoscan also can't deal with multiple innovate inputs currently.

looking forward to getting up to the modern world

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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by codgi
You can change the Load Calculated value in EvoScan as well...just adjust this line:

Code:
<DataListItem DataLog="Y" Color="" Display="Load Calculated" LogReference="LoadCalc" RequestID="00" Eval="5*513*([InjPulseWidth]-(-0.1026*[Battery]+1.8741))/[AFRMAP]" Unit="load" MetricEval="" MetricUnit="" ResponseBytes="1" GaugeMin="0" GaugeMax="500" ChartMin="0" ChartMax="500" Notes="5*InjScaling*([InjPulseWidth]-(-0.1026*[Battery]+1.8741))/[AFRMAP]"/>
And set change the inj scaling from 513 to whatever it is now.

B, if possible see if your rom has the 2 byte load modification posted for it. Make that change and then you won't have to worry about calculated load which is inaccurate anyway.

I know but it's much easier in mitsulogger for the average customer of mine
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nothere
to indicate how antiquated I am, I've been interpreting cell locations by reported timing.
I do have 2byte load ready to go, evoscan also can't deal with multiple innovate inputs currently.

looking forward to getting up to the modern world

caveman b
Fair enough .
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