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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
Please try my suggested BWGDC table. I think it will work very well.
Don't you think that the 6000+ rpm numbers in your table are a tad bit too aggressive for 91 octane gas?
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Don't you think that the 6000+ rpm numbers in your table are a tad bit too aggressive for 91 octane gas?
Nope. It should be pretty much right on the money. That table represents the WGDC values that the ECU used to maintain the target boost towards the end of that 4th gear run earlier in the day. Take a look at the plot again (re-posted below). There are two thin lines with data markers. The lower line is your BWGDC values for the 4th gear run from earlier in the day. Running parallel to that line is a thicker line that is the WGDC that your ECU used in that run. I pretty much just picked off values from the thick line at 4000, 4500, 5000, 5500, 6000, 6500, 7000, and 7500 rpm. At the lower RPMs, I guessed at lower WGDC values that hopefully would eliminate the boost overshoot during spool.


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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Let me ask this question:

If I tune with the TBEC zeroed out:

1. Should I start with a conservative WGDC. Something like this:

100---1000 rpm
100
65.5
54.5
53.5
53.5
53
52.5
52.5
50
54
54
61
62.5
78.5
81.5---7500 rpm

2. If I hit my target boost and re-introduce the TBEC table that mrfred created, then why wouldn't the good boost/bad boost phenomena happen again?

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NJ, I would just try runing a flat WGDC. @ like 3000, run something like 55 all the way down. See what it does. It might taper a little too much, but when you but the BEC table back in it will be fine. Also I do this cuz it see when I run a WGDC curve that ramps up like everyone else, i get really bad boost control when doing drag style runs.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 12:21 AM
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I'm suprised no one mentioned this, so i thought I'd bring this thread back from the dead. I noticed that nj1266 has been altering the Baseline Boost #2 table.



Based on what I've read as per mrfred's instructions in the how-to: ECU-based direct boost control thread he states:

The Baseline table maxes out at 24.6 psi (just like BDEL maxes out at 159.1), so for this example, one possible solution would be to set the peak value in the Baseline Boost table to 24.6 psi, and then set the Boost Adder to 40.7 - 24.6 = 16.1 psi. Hope that's a useful example. There are three Baseline Boost tables just as there are three BDEL tables, but really only table #1 needs adjusting.
This might be the source of your problem.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 12:29 AM
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No it is not the source of the problem. The source of the problem is that direct ECU boost control does NOT work with the restrictor pill method. mrfred and I tried to make it work, but we failed. It works with the GM 3 port solenoid and the boost bleeder method that mrfred uses to control boost, but it does not work with the restrictor pill in the boost line method.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 12:52 AM
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as in modified restrictor pills? What about those running the factory pill...unaltered.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Why would you go to the trouble to run that system with 100% stock boost?
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
No it is not the source of the problem. The source of the problem is that direct ECU boost control does NOT work with the restrictor pill method. mrfred and I tried to make it work, but we failed. It works with the GM 3 port solenoid and the boost bleeder method that mrfred uses to control boost, but it does not work with the restrictor pill in the boost line method.
It doesn't????

I'm using direct control, stock solenoid, #60 pill.... JDM MAP and targetting 25psi. It seems to work fine for me.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 04:05 AM
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All these different pill sizes. Has anyone done this with the stock pill?
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ShamelessCookie
It doesn't????

I'm using direct control, stock solenoid, #60 pill.... JDM MAP and targetting 25psi. It seems to work fine for me.
Contact mrfred and tell him what you did. Hopefully that will help everyone using the pill.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by R. Mutt
All these different pill sizes. Has anyone done this with the stock pill?
I'm pretty sure the stock pill won't work unless you drill it out, it's just too restrictive on the BCS in stock form.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Slo_crx1
I'm pretty sure the stock pill won't work unless you drill it out, it's just too restrictive on the BCS in stock form.
If you drill it out, it makes it worse. You need a pill with a smaller orifice in it. The ideal pill is #65.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
If you drill it out, it makes it worse. You need a pill with a smaller orifice in it. The ideal pill is #65.
Ok, so to run direct boost control you're changing the configuration of the wastegate lines then? Sorry, my previous post was under the assumption they were still in the stock "T" bleed off style config.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Slo_crx1
Ok, so to run direct boost control you're changing the configuration of the wastegate lines then? Sorry, my previous post was under the assumption they were still in the stock "T" bleed off style config.
Using a different pill does not change the configuration of the lines.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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lol, seems like i need to around more.
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