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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 05:59 PM
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One thing I have never been able to control is a rich dip right before peak torque.

I experienced this same problem tuning a friend's 2G Eclipse on DSMLink with the same wideband as me (LC-1)

Can anyone shed some light on a way to reduce or eliminate this ?

You can trim the accel enrichment a little to get rid of it. I think thats kind of why people leave the lean spool on is to counteract that.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShamelessCookie
One thing I have never been able to control is a rich dip right before peak torque.

I experienced this same problem tuning a friend's 2G Eclipse on DSMLink with the same wideband as me (LC-1)

Can anyone shed some light on a way to reduce or eliminate this ?
When shifting and when stabbing the throttle? Play with the Accel Enrich table.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShamelessCookie
Yes, new injectors are coming very shortly... as in 1-2 weeks.

I am using Direct Boost-Based Boost control. As far as having to redo your whole tune, you really don't... if you spent a lot of time getting your MWGDC correct, that same table will work fine for boost-based control. It literally takes 10 minutes to changeover, and the benefit is more precision in the correction.

The reason boost error is -3 psi is because I have my target boost to be 25psi solid from 3500RPM all the way up. As you can see in the graphs, boost tapers due to the limit of the turbo, but if I change my desired boost to include taper after 5500RPM, then WGDC will be pulled when I "overboost" to 25psi on a gear change. As you can see, my WGDC is unchanged, until I overboost to 25.75psi going into 4th gear, when it corrects and comes back up.

There is no current system to decrease boost via knock, although it is now possible. It's a matter of mrfred, tephra, et al taking time to make such a thing possible.
I have been working on a correction table that makes boost not go crazy when doing drag style runs.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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i am running tad richer than you and tad more timing at 22-23psi on Shell V-power or up to close 24.5-25psi when i mix my gas with Torco which i always have around...
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Any 2 byte hz pictures?
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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Glad that the boost control setup is working out for you. :-) Hope to have more time in the future for other ECU mods.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 11:09 PM
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How is the drive-ability of the car? Off throttle, low load situations?

Nice work!
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 02:49 AM
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No 2 Byte Hz, sorry. I will look into it.

I daily drive the car, and low load is perfectly fine... essentially no knock throughout the tune.
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 04:33 AM
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it certainly looks to me that the IX can take more timing down low but can't take it at the top.

there is no way my VIII could run 4 degrees at 3k through 4.5k, even way down on the load scale. 300 is a moist dream to me.

ooops, I see T. can run timing like you, hmmm. ? maybe the 92 octane here hurts.


Yeah, right now at spikes of 29psi, I am able to support between 3-4 degrees timing, ramping up to about 15-16 degrees at redline.

But, I am running 93 too, and have noticed that if I get gas from a different station, I start to knock. I think the gas station that I get my gas from is either right at 93, or slightly more. I am beginning to think it's actually more.

300 is a moist dream to you? Never say never. I don't even have cam's in the car yet, only external bolt ons, and am in hot **** southern SC weather, and I can hit 315 loads (no knock) sometimes...
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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 04:51 AM
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I am not sure I understand your 2 Byte Load image.... Why does it seem to peak and drop way off? I have not seen many logs of stock turbos I assume this is from the stock turbo running out of gas? On my 35R I ramp up to 300+ and is slowly falls to high 290's's... I'm also not sure why my load is soo shakey?

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Old Oct 4, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ThEHiTMaN
I am not sure I understand your 2 Byte Load image.... Why does it seem to peak and drop way off? I have not seen many logs of stock turbos I assume this is from the stock turbo running out of gas? On my 35R I ramp up to 300+ and is slowly falls to high 290's's... I'm also not sure why my load is soo shakey?
Load follows boost very closely. As you can see, the stock turbo can't generate more than 20psi at redline, so I get taper after 5500RPM. This is particularly noticable on a 1/4mi style run-through, as the taper begins right away.

It's no so harsh on a straight 3rd or 4th gear pull
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Old Oct 7, 2007 | 01:26 AM
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Update: I tried adding more timing after 6000RPM with little luck.

As you can see, my columns all run 10,10,14,14,14.

I upped this to 10,12,14,16,16 and got 5+ counts of knock.

I picked up some 100 octane unleaded today, I plan on seeing what I can do with reducing fuel & advancing timing, with no boost changes.

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