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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 10:06 AM
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need advice about my map

guys, I need advice, if you look at my map, you can see that when the turbo spools up to maximum boost, it runs very lean, when the boost reaches desired level it (1.25-1.30 bar at this graph) , kind of, stabilises. Look at the cell 2500 revs, load 180, 200, 220, but as soon as it reaches full boost it becomes reacher and I dont get any knock. How can I make the AFR stable on the spool up ?
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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re save image as png! Jpeg is too dam grainy.

I can barely make it out.
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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I seem to find tuning the fuel easier looking at the graph.
Maybe it's just me??

Have you disabled leanspool?

Do 3 back to back runs, straight after each other, then filter your data.

Smooth helps too.
(sort the block of 13s)

When looking at the knocksum, click to display maximum and not average, also check whether your octane flag drops from 100, I would imagine it is at that load.

P.S. check the link I gave you before, aswell as the advice of others that posted in that thread
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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Have you disable lean spool yet?
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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I wouldn't call that spool up too lean at all.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by C130flyer
Have you disable lean spool yet?
nope it was enabled, now I disabled it, will do some test runs tonight

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I wouldn't call that spool up too lean at all.
It would not worry about it, but unfortunately it knocked during spool up.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 12:43 AM
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Nothing massively wrong with that amount of knock.

I asked for maximum to be displayed as you appeared to have a large amount of data and wondered if there was something 'larger' hiding behind the 'average' setting.

As said before, that wasn't too lean esp considering leanspool was on.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 02:29 AM
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Knock up to 3 is normal on spool up the way the knock control noise thresholds work.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Guys, need one more advice, please.

I disabled lean spool and did a few quick test runs and obviously the AFR became reacher, but the engine started knocking, why does this happen, ignition timing is the same, mixture is richer, and it knocks (as I understood that if the AFR gets richer, then it shouldnt knock). Nothing major, maximum knock is 4.

Can you please have a look at those maps and tell me, am I heading the right way ?
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by YaroRS
Guys, need one more advice, please.

I disabled lean spool and did a few quick test runs and obviously the AFR became reacher, but the engine started knocking, why does this happen, ignition timing is the same, mixture is richer, and it knocks (as I understood that if the AFR gets richer, then it shouldnt knock). Nothing major, maximum knock is 4.

Can you please have a look at those maps and tell me, am I heading the right way ?
you can actually get rich knock!

Go back to the way it was and try richening up those spots where it's knocking.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Just out of curiosity, why did you rescale to 360?
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 03:38 PM
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Try getting AFR in the 11.6-11.5 range in full boost, also you could do with some more timing in there. Possibly taper to 11-11.1 at redline. At those loads there is no point to running negative timing either.

If your only hitting 240 load or whatever there is no reason to have ur maps scaled for 360 load. I would cap it at 300 at this point. 320 if you plan on running more boost.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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Your motor is built correct? Did you remove the balance shafts? It could be phantom knock.
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by project_skyline
Try getting AFR in the 11.6-11.5 range in full boost, also you could do with some more timing in there. Possibly taper to 11-11.1 at redline. At those loads there is no point to running negative timing either.

If your only hitting 240 load or whatever there is no reason to have ur maps scaled for 360 load. I would cap it at 300 at this point. 320 if you plan on running more boost.
Ok, will set it to this AFR. The reason for load up to 360 is that the turbo is capable of boosting 2 bar of boost and the engine should hold up to 500-550 hp. At 1.7 bar it hits load cells 290. The reason I am running only 1.25-1.30 atm is that I dont want to blow the engine because of doing something wrong.

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Your motor is built correct? Did you remove the balance shafts? It could be phantom knock.
The engine build by a professional, balance shafts removed.
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