I paid for my cable, I paid for my software, and I paid for my EvoScan/GPS ... but in the end no business DESERVES to make money or DESERVES their business model to work. If the main source of revenue is from the cable, and the cable can be made / purchased for cheaper then change the business model. But don't expect people to continue paying money out of the goodness of their heart.

While I fully appreciate, on a personal level, the support all the developers give here, the fact is if they are trying to make money out of this venture then they aren't doing it for purely altruistic reasons. The robustness of this very community is as much an asset to them as it is to me, because without this robust community I would likely not be a customer in the first place (chicken meet egg). Most of THAT is directly attributable to the partially open nature of the system which requires enough openness that some people will DIY and others will see the value in purchasing a ready-made product. It is that ladder group that generates revenue and the former that helps build a robust community that is self-perpetuating.

As for "disrespecting" well at that point it just all becomes personal and NOT just business at which point it is little boys pissing in the snow. Who cares why he wants to do it; curiosity, cheap-***, straight up freetard. Move on. The FACT, versus assumption, is that the cable is DIY-able. Getting upset about the perceived tone or attitude of some dude on an internet forum is laughable at best.

 

Evo Kid
i just read my post....
it was supposed to say i CAN tell you know what your talking about...sorry about that dude

 

Who cares, you want to make a cable, go ahead, lets move on with life, Everyone has tried to cut corners before, Dave took Perrin's boost controller and copied it made his own, who cares competition is good, how else do consumers get lower prices.

 

oh god, this thread just keeps going and going....

 

^^^ ya , u said it. its going to get crazy

 

lol

 

*grabs popcorn*

 

ya I am gonna just sit back relax and watch LOL

 

haha i cant even sleep im so anxious to see how this turns out

 

hell i get off work in 45 mins imma eye this thread until i get off

 

ROFLMA but don't you know, the true "innovators" don't benefit AT ALL from those who came before them, its all 100% original like manna from heaven

 

BR tried to resell the Perrin product at first, but their account was denied by Perrin because they were viewed as a competing manufacturer. Only then did BR incorporate Perrin design elements into their MBC. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Why are you trying to stir the pot? This is the EcuFlash forum -- drama belongs in the Engine/Drivetrain forum

 

I don't think I am, but maybe I should have elaborated. Personally, I think every penny of that cable is worth it. Like someone said before, it is probably the best money you can spend for the car. It was the first "mod" I bought for it.

I don't necessarily agree with bashing someone for not wanting to pay a certain amount if they can get something of equal value for less money solely to support the vendor for something else they do inexpensively or free (evoscan/ecuflash) out of the vendor's own choice. Then apparently saying someone ripped you off by charging $2500 for a product cuz their support and such sucked. I know I've emailed hammish a couple times for support with no response. Does it make the cable/evoscan a ripoff? Not IMO. I would pay more than $25 for evoscan and something for ecuflash. With a quickness. I bet a lot of people would.

Why shouldn't we all pay the dealer for oil changes and service to support them for only selling the car for $30kish?

I'm actually surprised the the bigger vendors/tuners, like yourself, aren't angry at all the support and innovation in the ecuflash forum. They gave everyone who wants to try an opportunity to tune their cars themselves for relatively very cheap (cost of a cable and evoscan/ecuflash) taking that business away from you and the other tuners.

And why do so many people on this forum think that because someone owns an evo, they should have this seemingly endless supply of money and spend whatever someone charges for a product with no question as to whether it can be done cheaper or not?

 

Actually THIS was stirring the pot The rest is called amusement

 

No pot being stirred, just seems like the pot is calling the kettle black, and the kettle has Jesse Jackson on it's side.

Scorke