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Old Sep 24, 2009, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
I disabled the ignition warm up table
used the new method to disable the EGR
disabled both the EGR peripherys
zeroed out the base low engine temp trim table
zeroed the warmup advance activation table

........ and my cold start issue has vastly improved.

BUT

Now the car wants to idle hang. When it is cold it wants to idle at 1700+/- 200 RPM. Once it is fully warmed up the hang goes away. Then there is a slight issue with idle run down. If I push the clutch to roll to a stop it takes a while for the RPM to decrease to my 1000ish idle setting. Basically, it doesn't fall to idle quickly.

I may adjust the Idle error tables and see if I can get the idle to come down a bit faster.
Have you adjusted your initial ISCV position tables at all?

Originally Posted by nonschlont
I have the same issue... My Hz value jumps @ idle from 25hz to 31.25hz...
This is the minimum difference between the two bit values. The eval for 1 byte airflow only has a resolution in increments of 6.25. You can try 2 byte airflow for closer results at idle.
Old Sep 24, 2009, 07:02 AM
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The only ISCV adjustments I made were for with the AC on to stop the car from stalling. Then, the only adjustments were done to the bottom 2 spaces....when the car is warm.
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
The only ISCV adjustments I made were for with the AC on to stop the car from stalling. Then, the only adjustments were done to the bottom 2 spaces....when the car is warm.
I might suggest resetting your ECU (removing battery power) since you made those "adjustments". It may have some learned functions for the poor idle that it will now have to un-learn.
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Already did that....I will give it a few days of driving and see if it improves.

Thanks for the help as always.

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Did you readjust the BISS with evoscan actuator thingy?
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No....the BISS is as it was before I made all of these ECU adjustments. I may try that in a couple days if the idle hang does not improve.
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Originally Posted by fostytou
This is the minimum difference between the two bit values. The eval for 1 byte airflow only has a resolution in increments of 6.25. You can try 2 byte airflow for closer results at idle.
good to know...
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Oh and even after doing all of the stuff for cold start.....the MAF Hz still has spikes. It will be stable in thr 30s then spike to like 70, then stable again. I know the MAF Hz spikes are causing the load spikes since load is calcualted from airflow.

This is so frustrating.....the car idles well but bobbles every time the Hz spike occurs.
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
Oh and even after doing all of the stuff for cold start.....the MAF Hz still has spikes. It will be stable in thr 30s then spike to like 70, then stable again. I know the MAF Hz spikes are causing the load spikes since load is calcualted from airflow.

This is so frustrating.....the car idles well but bobbles every time the Hz spike occurs.
Actually, the MAF Hz that you log is not used to calculate load. Its the other way around. I know it sounds backwards, but that's how it works in the Evo ROM code. There is actually another MAF Hz that is the true MAF Hz measured from the MAF. It is used to calculate load. The MAF Hz that you log is load divided by some other value that I have not been able to determine (but must be RPM dependent) Are you seeing a load spike at the same time you see the MAF Hz spike?
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
No....the BISS is as it was before I made all of these ECU adjustments. I may try that in a couple days if the idle hang does not improve.
What would be really intelligent would be to move the throttle hang to between 0-1500rpm. This way those who have stalling issues with the A/C on could get some relief from a different method.
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Yes, I am seeing a load spike and a MAF spike.
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Here is an odity I discovered today.....The load and Hz spikes don't happen if I have the A/C on. The car idles steady and smooth, albeit at 1250 rpm to cure stalling with big cams, intake pipes and port work.
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How do you have load scaled on your map? I put the 20 column back in my map and I don't have to disable "engine retard at startup" anymore as the idle doesn't dip anymore...
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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddie
How do you have load scaled on your map? I put the 20 column back in my map and I don't have to disable "engine retard at startup" anymore as the idle doesn't dip anymore...
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