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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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Big maps-too big

After working with tephra V7 and using the big maps for a little while now its become clear that the size of the big maps is way too big.

Rather then helping at all it just makes tuning take longer and be a bigger pain in the ***.

I suggest the next revision that they be reduced to simply tuning. There is no advantage for 32x32 maps.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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I like it...

I dont have to worry about what the ECU interpolates between cells. Thank you v7!!!
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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Ditto (to op).
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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I am not a tuner however it is my understanding that the larger maps allow for more resolution. By doing so you are able to fine tune the car a little better and have the room to really smooth out the timing in certain rough areas.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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if you dont want the maps big scale them lower. the big maps give more resolution, therefore they are more accurate with tuning.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:38 PM
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^yup... smaller maps jump to different cells that can be over 2 to 3 counts difference... rough, real rough.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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Big maps too big? You can NEVER have too much resolution when tuning. The accuracy i'm able to dial in when i'm tuning is insane with the stock ECU. If you've ever tuned a standalone, they have very high resolution for a reason.

Big maps can be somewhat cumbersome if tuning from scratch, but if you know what you're doing and how to use the interpolate functions, it's very easy to setup.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 02:46 AM
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rotfl.... best thread ever.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 04:23 AM
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Time for the ban stick!

I love v7 big maps, especially on the load axis.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 04:46 AM
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I am an AEM tuner and not a stock ECU tuner but the idea of your comment still applies and I have to say I disagree with your opinion here. It may "potentially" take more time but trust me the more resolution you have the better. There are times where fine detail is needed in certain areas to get a car to run happy and if you had low resolution it would lead to more of a compromise somewhere whether it is poor drivability, potential loss of efficiency, or even risk when pushing a tune to make power.

As mentioned above use the interpolate functions to achieve calculated results to get you closer faster.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 05:57 AM
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like others i disagree, that said you could just use 5.10 if you don't like the big maps.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:04 AM
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You don't even need to go back to an older version. Just decide on the size you want to work with, scale the axes accordingly, and duplicate the last cell on the left and bottom all the way out to the edge of the map, which is exactly what the ECU did with the smaller maps.

The large maps are there as a convenience, you don't have to use the whole thing.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by logic
The large maps are there as a convenience, you don't have to use the whole thing.

Exactly my thoughts. I voted No, I love the resolution there.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by project_skyline
After working with tephra V7 and using the big maps for a little while now its become clear that the size of the big maps is way too big.

Rather then helping at all it just makes tuning take longer and be a bigger pain in the ***.

I suggest the next revision that they be reduced to simply tuning. There is no advantage for 32x32 maps.
use v5.1 then
tephra put ALOT of time into this and you want him or another coder to make a dumbed down version?kind of back wards{pcfre ak}. its not too big . not at all. so what if it takes longer to tune.. you end up with more quality tune, with more accuracy , and consistency.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by logic
You don't even need to go back to an older version. Just decide on the size you want to work with, scale the axes accordingly, and duplicate the last cell on the left and bottom all the way out to the edge of the map, which is exactly what the ECU did with the smaller maps.

The large maps are there as a convenience, you don't have to use the whole thing.

exactly
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