How to tune 800whp
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LOL. 85% on these huge injectors thats so crazy. just the fact you're over 30% more then i was at that time scares me to even get a ride in your car. your car must feel like a torpedo from hell.
i respect you alot on here the most out of all the tuners, because you actually share all your knowledge rather then keep it secret.
some things have to be kept secret tho for a bit of course.
you give a hell of alot of info to the community tho and i salute you for that.
btw i didnt know mikeys car was 10.5:1 ???????? damn. id be interested in seeing his timing. i remember you told me he ran quite a bit uptop.
i respect you alot on here the most out of all the tuners, because you actually share all your knowledge rather then keep it secret.
some things have to be kept secret tho for a bit of course.

you give a hell of alot of info to the community tho and i salute you for that.
btw i didnt know mikeys car was 10.5:1 ???????? damn. id be interested in seeing his timing. i remember you told me he ran quite a bit uptop.

His runs more than mine but the boost taper is more intense.
damn his falls off hard! why is that? i did a guy on a black and 2.0 and he had 14 at 6500.
im curious why mikeys car falls off like it does tho? mine holds 33-34 uptop pretty easily. imagine if you could get his car to hold more uptop. thats a 700whp car easy.
im curious why mikeys car falls off like it does tho? mine holds 33-34 uptop pretty easily. imagine if you could get his car to hold more uptop. thats a 700whp car easy.
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From: Northwest
VE. Head + cams + intake.
longer answer-
Boost is just backpressure in the intake manifold and is irrelevant. We are only worried about the CFM the turbo can output vs what the engine can use. 33psi in the intake at 8000 (on a large motor) on this turbo means the engine isnt breathing well enough to use the CFM that is there in my experience. Luke made the same power with roughly the same boost curve on his 2.0L, 41 peak falling to 34 out the top. Now reduces those numbers vs displacement and the curve is pretty much the same which means its using the same amount of air to make the same amount of power. Mikey's might be falling off more up top overall since the bigger motor is expelling more exhaust mass and is forced into a small housing. VE works both ways, it can help overall but limit faster depending on whats happening in the turbine.
short answer-
VE. Head + cams + intake.
longer answer-
Boost is just backpressure in the intake manifold and is irrelevant. We are only worried about the CFM the turbo can output vs what the engine can use. 33psi in the intake at 8000 (on a large motor) on this turbo means the engine isnt breathing well enough to use the CFM that is there in my experience. Luke made the same power with roughly the same boost curve on his 2.0L, 41 peak falling to 34 out the top. Now reduces those numbers vs displacement and the curve is pretty much the same which means its using the same amount of air to make the same amount of power. Mikey's might be falling off more up top overall since the bigger motor is expelling more exhaust mass and is forced into a small housing. VE works both ways, it can help overall but limit faster depending on whats happening in the turbine.
VE. Head + cams + intake.
longer answer-
Boost is just backpressure in the intake manifold and is irrelevant. We are only worried about the CFM the turbo can output vs what the engine can use. 33psi in the intake at 8000 (on a large motor) on this turbo means the engine isnt breathing well enough to use the CFM that is there in my experience. Luke made the same power with roughly the same boost curve on his 2.0L, 41 peak falling to 34 out the top. Now reduces those numbers vs displacement and the curve is pretty much the same which means its using the same amount of air to make the same amount of power. Mikey's might be falling off more up top overall since the bigger motor is expelling more exhaust mass and is forced into a small housing. VE works both ways, it can help overall but limit faster depending on whats happening in the turbine.
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Well not quite that intense, but head pressure is head pressure. Its working counter to the turbos ability to spin, shaft speed drops and so does boost in extreme cases. We see this on the turbo quads which are as backpressure sensitive as rotaries.
and the sand truck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A7hPjoAzE8
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It's odd how that goes. I blame some of it on logger speed and length of pull. I mean I cant deny how the curve is but it definitely looks like it ramps up extremely wicked according to the log. Mikey's car has a V7 map and is interpolated really well, thats the really weird part.
Off topic kinda...
So this is probably a really basic question and I just don't know where to look, but how do you guys tune load that high? With my setup I'm hitting loads in the high 300s, beyond what is listed in the ecu, so I'm not sure what to do to tune those higher loads.
I'm not even sure why I'm hitting that much load, my car according to the virtual dyno isn't making that much power...
So this is probably a really basic question and I just don't know where to look, but how do you guys tune load that high? With my setup I'm hitting loads in the high 300s, beyond what is listed in the ecu, so I'm not sure what to do to tune those higher loads.
I'm not even sure why I'm hitting that much load, my car according to the virtual dyno isn't making that much power...
It's odd how that goes. I blame some of it on logger speed and length of pull. I mean I cant deny how the curve is but it definitely looks like it ramps up extremely wicked according to the log. Mikey's car has a V7 map and is interpolated really well, thats the really weird part.

But yes, agreed, I'm sure that at that power level, 3rd and 4th go by so fast, that timing curve gets exponentially "wicked".
Off topic kinda...
So this is probably a really basic question and I just don't know where to look, but how do you guys tune load that high? With my setup I'm hitting loads in the high 300s, beyond what is listed in the ecu, so I'm not sure what to do to tune those higher loads.
I'm not even sure why I'm hitting that much load, my car according to the virtual dyno isn't making that much power...
So this is probably a really basic question and I just don't know where to look, but how do you guys tune load that high? With my setup I'm hitting loads in the high 300s, beyond what is listed in the ecu, so I'm not sure what to do to tune those higher loads.
I'm not even sure why I'm hitting that much load, my car according to the virtual dyno isn't making that much power...
like: site:forums.evolutionm.net how to rescale map evom
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=+site...de53b2ade8e603
so maybe your maf needs rescaled or the screen is no longer in it etc. can make it ready higher then normal.








