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SST MR/SE 1st gear TPS limiter FOUND!

Old Apr 22, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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If you set it back to stock values does it then log correctly?
IDKwhat happened, I changed TPS scaling to: x*100/255 from x*200/255 and get the usual 86 max. weird coincidence?? cause I never changed it to 200 in th first place.

anyhow, TPS limit is adjusted higher and results are very good.

Thanks again to all involved with this
Old Apr 22, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by myersap93
IDKwhat happened, I changed TPS scaling to: x*100/255 from x*200/255 and get the usual 86 max. weird coincidence?? cause I never changed it to 200 in th first place.

anyhow, TPS limit is adjusted higher and results are very good.

Thanks again to all involved with this
Weird.
Old Apr 22, 2011 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden
Yeah the front page is wrong. I may have told Bryan wrong when I first found them.

2009 EDM SST 54070007 and 2009 USDM Ralliart 53600010
- The y-axis RPM addresses should be 625f0 instead of 6258e.


And yes they share the RPM scaling with the Boost tables... Passive / Reactive and others.
Yea thanks I fixed them. It was a bad copy-paste by me.
Old Apr 23, 2011 | 07:53 AM
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Im gone check reverse in my ralli, like you say you need to throttle up a lot to move
Old Apr 24, 2011 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I personally like to manage 1st gear torque with the boost tables. It's much less abrupt and offers more resolution.

You can try setting this table to 100% to remove the TPS limits and then limit your first gear torque with the gear-based boost tables.

This way your also not trying to cram a bunch of boost through 50% throttle plate which I would assume causes a bit of back pressure on the turbo.

Of course, everyone has their different ways.
1st gear boost limiting would be fine too, but either should really work fine. Really all you are doing is simulating what your foot would be doing if you manually adjusted the throttle peddle to keep the car on the edge of tire traction. Get that right and you will jump of the line quite nicely. You will get better boost response using the boost limiting method as throttle limiting does reduce spool and response a bit, but I also didn't want to effect the other gears with lowered boost in the tables. Right now I have somewhat lower boost in 1st-3rd, and then control 4th-6th with full boost.

Compared to how the car left the line before, it feels like a rocketship, I may have to limit them more again based on temps the car will see during launches at the One Lap event.
Old Apr 29, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Question SST MR/SE 1st gear TPS limiter FOUND!

Is Any boddy else have made this test on his MR or SE; please Post your experience, thanks
Old Apr 30, 2011 | 06:42 AM
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Mischief managed on my 2010 SE. I am not yet sure if it made a huge difference but nothing went wrong during the test drive. Really I won't know until I hit some of my typical left-turn pull-out intersections while not *thinking* about the change I just made. I'll know right away if I'm worried about making it across or not.

I also tested out launch control for the first time. Not sure how much that is effected by the TPS CAP but I would assume it is ... I was underwhelmed by the launch in launch control [shrug] Might also be my low-gear WGDC boost settings but I haven't played with them much beyond using values from GUNZO

for reference I changed the non-100 drive values to 90 68.2 64.3 66 74.2 81.8 ... those represent the mid-point between the old value and 100.

Has anyone tested all 100's?
Old May 2, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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update? anybody did this to there MR/SE yet?
Old May 2, 2011 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOnicXVII
update? anybody did this to there MR/SE yet?
+1

I want to know what numbers people are setting their tables at. What everyone is setting their boost as well through the rpms.
Old May 3, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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If COBB ever releases this ill tell you what it does at the strip with it set at 100%, or if someone wants to do it for me i live in NY. I have 1/4 mile data from this year and last to see the 60ft improvment.
Old May 3, 2011 | 01:46 PM
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Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't really understand the excitement around this. Stock the throttle plate limiter is in effect limiting boost/torque which is just another method of boost control w/o using the tables. That way you aren't crippling boost in whatever other gears you are running your low range boost maps. It really shouldn't make that much of a difference if you have them tuned properly!?!?!?! In fact, if you just move it to 100%...I'd check/log (beta ECUFlash Standalone logger logs much faster now!) how much boost you are seeing in 1st gear!

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Old May 3, 2011 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by verkion
Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't really understand the excitement around this. Stock the throttle plate limiter is in effect limiting boost/torque which is just another method of boost control w/o using the tables. That way you aren't crippling boost in whatever other gears you are running your low range boost maps. It really shouldn't make that much of a difference if you have them tuned properly!?!?!?! In fact, if you just move it to 100%...I'd check/log (beta ECUFlash Standalone logger logs much faster now!) how much boost you are seeing in 1st gear!

verkion
[scratches head] sooooo you're saying you don't understand why people are excited about having more control over their car? Excited that something which limited first gear (read launch) performance, which they couldn't control, has now been opened to user manipulation?

You're right, I can't possibly see why people are excited about this.
Old May 3, 2011 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by verkion
Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't really understand the excitement around this. Stock the throttle plate limiter is in effect limiting boost/torque which is just another method of boost control w/o using the tables. That way you aren't crippling boost in whatever other gears you are running your low range boost maps. It really shouldn't make that much of a difference if you have them tuned properly!?!?!?! In fact, if you just move it to 100%...I'd check/log (beta ECUFlash Standalone logger logs much faster now!) how much boost you are seeing in 1st gear!

verkion
You are missing something.

Before the throttle closed to 40% at WOT in 1st gear and you had NO CONTROL over it.

Now you have control over it. So you can do what you please with it. Still want less throttle / boost? You can have it. What full boost / throttle? You can have it.

Before you had no choice.
Old May 3, 2011 | 02:09 PM
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and larger turbo Evo MR's couldnt launch at all with the limiter.

Look a SSP's Mr there is a video of it launching... there is nothign until J would shift to 2nd them it took off like a rocket.

Look at my vids on youtube, same thing 1st gear lame duck, click 2nd gear and you can hear the diffrence in the car.
Old May 3, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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Ok...point taken that now you have control over it :-P That's a given. I was thinking in terms of what other benefits this had, but yes, greater control is always a good thing.

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