Pop's & Bang's Map...Is it BAD?
agree.
Last edited by Biggy VIII; Nov 20, 2012 at 01:26 PM.
Which Pressure you have at idle with this timing maps ? Throttle Body closed or partially open ? BOV Recirculated or suppressed ?
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
Which Pressure you have at idle with this timing maps ? Throttle Body closed or partially open ? BOV Recirculated or suppressed ?
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
mind to share on how to get 0 vacumn on idle?
Thanks
Which Pressure you have at idle with this timing maps ? Throttle Body closed or partially open ? BOV Recirculated or suppressed ?
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
I have negative timing on my car in the lower areas and the vaccum is around -17psi at idle. Should ideally have 0 of Pressure at idle for cero Lag !!!
-17 psi is impossible on this planet. Read more.
-0 pressure for zero lag : you obviously don't understand what is lag. Read more.
Negative pressures
While pressures are, in general, positive, there are several situations in which negative pressures may be encountered:
Turbo lag
Turbocharger applications can be categorized according to those which require changes in output power (such as automotive) and those which do not (such as marine, aircraft, commercial automotive, industrial, locomotives). While important to varying degrees, turbo lag is most problematic when rapid changes in power output are required.
Turbo lag is the time required to change power output in response to a throttle change, noticed as a hesitation or slowed throttle response when accelerating from idle as compared to a naturally aspirated engine. This is due to the time needed for the exhaust system and turbocharger to generate the required boost. Inertia, friction, and compressor load are the primary contributors to turbo lag. Superchargers do not suffer this problem, because the turbine is eliminated due to the compressor being directly powered by the engine.
Lag can be reduced in a number of ways:
While pressures are, in general, positive, there are several situations in which negative pressures may be encountered:
- When dealing in relative (gauge) pressures. For instance, an absolute pressure of 80 kPa may be described as a gauge pressure of −21 kPa (i.e., 21 kPa below an atmospheric pressure of 101 kPa).
- When attractive forces (e.g., van der Waals forces) between the particles of a fluid exceed repulsive forces. Such scenarios are generally unstable since the particles will move closer together until repulsive forces balance attractive forces. Negative pressure exists in the transpiration pull of plants, and is used to suction water even higher than the ten meters that it rises in a pure vacuum.
- The Casimir effect can create a small attractive force due to interactions with vacuum energy; this force is sometimes termed "vacuum pressure" (not to be confused with the negative gauge pressure of a vacuum).
- Depending on how the orientation of a surface is chosen, the same distribution of forces may be described either as a positive pressure along one surface normal, or as a negative pressure acting along the opposite surface normal.
- In the cosmological constant.
Turbo lag
Turbocharger applications can be categorized according to those which require changes in output power (such as automotive) and those which do not (such as marine, aircraft, commercial automotive, industrial, locomotives). While important to varying degrees, turbo lag is most problematic when rapid changes in power output are required.
Turbo lag is the time required to change power output in response to a throttle change, noticed as a hesitation or slowed throttle response when accelerating from idle as compared to a naturally aspirated engine. This is due to the time needed for the exhaust system and turbocharger to generate the required boost. Inertia, friction, and compressor load are the primary contributors to turbo lag. Superchargers do not suffer this problem, because the turbine is eliminated due to the compressor being directly powered by the engine.
Lag can be reduced in a number of ways:
- lowering the rotational inertia of the turbocharger; for example by using lighter, lower radius parts to allow the spool-up to happen more quickly. Ceramic turbines are of benefit in this regard and or billet compressor wheel.
- changing the aspect ratio of the turbine.
- increasing the upper-deck air pressure (compressor discharge) and improving the wastegate response
- reducing bearing frictional losses (such as by using a foil bearing rather than a conventional oil bearing)
- using variable-nozzle or twin-scroll turbochargers (discussed below).
- decreasing the volume of the upper-deck piping.
- using multiple turbos sequentially or in parallel.
- using an Antilag system.
Last edited by domyz; Nov 21, 2012 at 08:01 AM.
I have a much improved version of this coming, im just running tight on development funds atm.
I am lacking one final step to my hardware and from ther hopefully just ecu tuning. read more in the thread I have a couple pages back.
I am lacking one final step to my hardware and from ther hopefully just ecu tuning. read more in the thread I have a couple pages back.
Hi 211, mind to share yr thread link.
Hi Domyz,
sorry for the noob question but what does this 2 paragraph mean?
1) increasing the upper-deck air pressure (compressor discharge) and improving the wastegate response :
a) Upper deck air pressure/compressor discharge?
b) What is the best way of improving the WG response?
2) decreasing the volume of the upper-deck piping :
c) Reducing the ic piping size where after the intercooler up to throttle body?
Thanks
sorry for the noob question but what does this 2 paragraph mean?
1) increasing the upper-deck air pressure (compressor discharge) and improving the wastegate response :
a) Upper deck air pressure/compressor discharge?
b) What is the best way of improving the WG response?
2) decreasing the volume of the upper-deck piping :
c) Reducing the ic piping size where after the intercooler up to throttle body?
Thanks
A- higher pressure post compressor will reduce lag...example: small cams/less VE. Obviously not good for power but for lag.
B- tightening wga arm, ebc 100% closed on spoolup.
C- smaller intercooler, tubing. (Less volume so pressure will rise faster)
B- tightening wga arm, ebc 100% closed on spoolup.
C- smaller intercooler, tubing. (Less volume so pressure will rise faster)
A small video of a Evo IX Friend.
Last edited by JSPturbo; Nov 22, 2012 at 07:21 AM.







