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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 04:42 PM
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⛔★ Evo 8 tuning, logged KnockSum 2-8 knock count fix?

Hey guys I just set up my Evo 8 and OpenPort 2.0 to standalone log. When I do a 2k-7k RPM pull in 3rd gear I get a lot of knocking at 3000-7000 RPM.

3000-5000 RPM I get 1-3 knocks up/down
5100-7000 RPM I get 4-8 knocks!!!

WideBand LC-1 shows AF Ratio between 5k-7k RPM as 11.9 to 11.1 which is pretty rich, what else could be causing my knocking??

What do I need to adjust in my maps to lower the knocking?

Any help much appreciated, I'm pretty much a noob at tuning.







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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 05:23 PM
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Is that 33.0936 boost ? Thats Way too much timing . I'd shoot for a ramp from 0-3 from 4000 and make your way up to 5-8 at 5500 then up to 12-14@8000. Smooth timing changes . 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 etc..

AFR should be 11.1-11.5 on most fuels. These are old engines and running a richer mixture typically cools the cylinder.

Its not going to live a good life like that. I'd recommend bringing it to a professional or at least take some time and educate yourself. There is alot of information out there on these cars.

Timing .. less is more in the end.
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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 06:23 PM
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yes 33.09 is boost but the scaling is OFF, I think my boost gauge / very expensive electric boost controller (e-boost2) was reading around 22psi across the board.

It is running 11.5-11.9 AFR, see the wideband readings, first column in the picture above.
Isn't that pretty good or should I add more fuel across the whole map?

I see it now, at 6375 RPMs my timing goes form 15 down to 12 and the knocking goes from 3 to 8. But I thought lowering the timing would reduce the knock not make it worse?

I try to smooth the timing here.



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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 06:43 PM
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I think you are too lean. What octane are you on? If pump gas I shoot for 11.2 for wot pulls and no leaner than 11.5 for power. The above poster is right you have way too much timing. I'd start over with 0 and add timing incrementally until you start seeing knock. Also you must not have big jumps from cell to cell in the timing map, no more than 3 a count difference from each block if you can. Good luck and don't blow up your motor.
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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 07:53 PM
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Yea pump gas 91 octane, and I was told it was tuned by AMS for 400whp at 23psi, but I'm not sure if that was really done... sellers say a lot

I'm looking to fix the knock not blow it up


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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 10:06 PM
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Too much timing and too lean. Wouldn't run it much till I fixed those issues, or had the cashflow for new pistons.
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Old Jan 18, 2017 | 10:51 PM
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Ok so whats the easiest way to add fuel_ to the whole map? Can I just do this by injector scaling? Also I can't get the scaling right on my boost logging, I've tried a bunch of different stuff, nothing shows me simple -20vacuum to +22psi. This is what everyone seems to be running but it gives me crazy high numbers :

paramname=Boost-old
paramid=0x38
scalingrpn=x,0.19347,*,14.5,-


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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 02:17 AM
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Might I ask what ROM your on?
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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 05:35 AM
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If your fuel trims are good I wouldn't touch the scaling. Simplest way is to make adjustments to the fuel and timing maps and keep logging. Have you read/watched merlins guide to tuning? That was a huge help for me when I was learning. Also are you on a stock rom or tephra?
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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 01:30 PM
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My rom is 94170014 - Evo 8 2003

I just tried Tephra v7 96530706, but I went back to 0014 because a lot of stuff was out of wack on v7.

Just did a lot of logging:
Fuel_ trims is IDLE: +9 to +10.5 (always need more fuel_)
Fuel_ trim CRUISING at 45mph 5th gear: +4 to +6 (always need more fuel_)

so I was thinking about adding more fuel_ by lowering the scaling or should I mess with the injector battery_ latency instead?


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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 01:46 PM
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What is it at mid?
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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by supak1111
My rom is 94170014

I just updated to Tephra v7 96530706, but I went back to 0014 because a lot of stuff was out of wack.

No my fuel trims is usually about +10 at idle so I was thinking about adding more fuel by lowering the scaling


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Get those trims in check before going any further.
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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 06:16 PM
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I got my idle and cruise fuel trim to within +-2

I did this by lowering my scaling from 665 to 609 (precision 780cc injectors), and fine tuning the battery_ injector latency tiny bit.


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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 07:37 PM
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Sooo my question is by lowering my injector scaling from 665 to 609 (which is about 9% more fuel), does that also add 9% more fuel across my whole WOT map?


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Old Jan 19, 2017 | 07:47 PM
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Yes it does affect wot afr. Ive noticed scaling does change overall afr, but usually more on the wot side of things.
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