Stock 2 liter, pump gas+meth, Red
I've deleted a couple of posts with language way beyond what is acceptable on Evom. Also, this thread will be closed if it continues to be a urinating contest between people who are not directly affected. Thanks.
There you go, thank you for admitting to it extremedsm. That is exactly what I just said, the double syncros are only shiney on one side, new, used and worn out, they are shiney on one side. So your post with the pictures to prove we are crooks are incorrect and prove nothing.
As I have said, in 20 years we have never screwed anyone and we didn't start with your transmission rebuild. Your only "proof" was that the 1-2-3 gears syncro's looked dirty compared to your 5th that was shiney. The fact is the 1-2-3 gear syncro's are shiney on one side and "dirty" looking on the other side (the side you just so happened to photo graph and post) even when brand new right out of the package.
I bet right about now you had handled yourself differently when you called here rather than yelling and accusing Dan of being a liar and thief.
I do not know what to tell you about how long the first trans lasted and how long this one lasted. I can only go on our track record and know that a transmission that is not beated on and has had gears missed last longer than your 4,000 miles. I do not have ESP and do not know how you drive it, how your buddies drive it or anything else. I do know that I see a lot of guys build cars, make big power, spend hard earned money to do that and as soon as something happens to the car you hear this from them, "Man, I never beat on the car, I never even take it into boost, I just drive the car back and forth to my Grandma's on Sunday." Well I have to tell you, that's a bunch of BS, nobody in their right mind is going to modify a car to make more power than it had and then never get on it.
Why yours failed will remain a mystery because you chose to try to discredit us and take it apart yourself. Who knows, had you just sent it to us so Dan could have looked at it maybe he would have found something that didn't seem quite right and taken care of it or atleast done it for a hell of a discount since you came back here. Instead you chose to take some BS route, call us liars, cheats and thieves, yell on the phone, threaten to ruin our business by posting pictures if we didn't give you free parts. Maybe next time you will handle yourself differently, judging from what you had to say about other shops while you were here though I kind of doubt it.
Good luck with the car. I'm sure I don't have to request this but in the future, please deal with someone else. We do not want your business.
Have a nice day.
As I have said, in 20 years we have never screwed anyone and we didn't start with your transmission rebuild. Your only "proof" was that the 1-2-3 gears syncro's looked dirty compared to your 5th that was shiney. The fact is the 1-2-3 gear syncro's are shiney on one side and "dirty" looking on the other side (the side you just so happened to photo graph and post) even when brand new right out of the package.
I bet right about now you had handled yourself differently when you called here rather than yelling and accusing Dan of being a liar and thief.
I do not know what to tell you about how long the first trans lasted and how long this one lasted. I can only go on our track record and know that a transmission that is not beated on and has had gears missed last longer than your 4,000 miles. I do not have ESP and do not know how you drive it, how your buddies drive it or anything else. I do know that I see a lot of guys build cars, make big power, spend hard earned money to do that and as soon as something happens to the car you hear this from them, "Man, I never beat on the car, I never even take it into boost, I just drive the car back and forth to my Grandma's on Sunday." Well I have to tell you, that's a bunch of BS, nobody in their right mind is going to modify a car to make more power than it had and then never get on it.
Why yours failed will remain a mystery because you chose to try to discredit us and take it apart yourself. Who knows, had you just sent it to us so Dan could have looked at it maybe he would have found something that didn't seem quite right and taken care of it or atleast done it for a hell of a discount since you came back here. Instead you chose to take some BS route, call us liars, cheats and thieves, yell on the phone, threaten to ruin our business by posting pictures if we didn't give you free parts. Maybe next time you will handle yourself differently, judging from what you had to say about other shops while you were here though I kind of doubt it.
Good luck with the car. I'm sure I don't have to request this but in the future, please deal with someone else. We do not want your business.
Have a nice day.
I've never bought anything from buschur thats not the point.
The trans was brought back to rallispec after the 3rd gear synchro broke.
Thought it might have been from the racing though thats the kind of thing that happens most commonly from a mis shift or bad shifting.
The trans was pulled apart and repaired.
He blew 3rd gear to pieces after a down shift.
See the pattern? has nothing to do with the trans being used, he destroyed new parts. Just as you MAY have done here. (not voicing my opinion just an example of a similiar situation thta I just experienced.)
I'm just saying it is not that far fetched to say you could have destroyed the synchro in 4k miles.
My friend talked to rallispec and they said they'd install a new 3-4 set and synchros for $500. Great deal right.... all because my buddy was calm about the situation.
The trans was brought back to rallispec after the 3rd gear synchro broke.
Thought it might have been from the racing though thats the kind of thing that happens most commonly from a mis shift or bad shifting.
The trans was pulled apart and repaired.
He blew 3rd gear to pieces after a down shift.
See the pattern? has nothing to do with the trans being used, he destroyed new parts. Just as you MAY have done here. (not voicing my opinion just an example of a similiar situation thta I just experienced.)
I'm just saying it is not that far fetched to say you could have destroyed the synchro in 4k miles.
My friend talked to rallispec and they said they'd install a new 3-4 set and synchros for $500. Great deal right.... all because my buddy was calm about the situation.
Like I said, pretty much all the miles that were put on the car were interstate miles. Nobody drives my car but me. I never said I do not beat on the car, I told you right out that I did.
And yes I am going to bad mouth Dogbox racing for leaving a broken lifter and rocker in the motor of a car that I paid $22k for. When all the lifters and rockers are intact, motor locks up and you find an extra rocker and lifter in the motor, you would be happy about this?
I did not feel the need to spend $200 in shipping the trans there and back and no matter what is wrong in the trans, it would be my fault. Thus $250 in parts and whatever labor would have been.
I really do not care how the car was driven at all. 4K miles is BS. Should have been able to pound on that trans for the whole 4k miles and it should still be going strong. If everything was inspected and everything was good in the trans, it should still be going.
And yes I am going to bad mouth Dogbox racing for leaving a broken lifter and rocker in the motor of a car that I paid $22k for. When all the lifters and rockers are intact, motor locks up and you find an extra rocker and lifter in the motor, you would be happy about this?
I did not feel the need to spend $200 in shipping the trans there and back and no matter what is wrong in the trans, it would be my fault. Thus $250 in parts and whatever labor would have been.
I really do not care how the car was driven at all. 4K miles is BS. Should have been able to pound on that trans for the whole 4k miles and it should still be going strong. If everything was inspected and everything was good in the trans, it should still be going.
All I can add to this is that some people 'drive their car normally' and are 20x harder on it than what others would when they 'drive their car normally.' I have a friend that is pretty young and every single shift he does is almost as fast as I shift when I NLTS. He accelerates at 1/8 throttle veerrrrrry lightly to 2500rpms for smooth gentle acceleration then BANGS into the next gear, and continues with 1/8 throttle in the next gear. It is insane to me how someone can drive around like this normally, his tranny is most certainly turning into a soup of metal flakes.

After reading through this entire thread (most of which was off topic), I have some concerns about the above quote. I've been talking things over with Nick and I'm interested in buying the cast HTA35 kit equipped with the 0.63 turbine housing. The price is outstanding IMO. I'll eventually run meth but in the meantime, I plan on getting tuned around the 25-28PSI mark on pump/93. I spend the majority of my time on the street/drag strip. I've been a member of the FP Red train for a while but on pump/93 (25-28PSI) I don't think it would have a greater performance than the HTA35. I've been looking for some pump gas numbers on the FP Red but haven't been successful at all. I guess it all boils down to which will be a better set up, the HTA35 with 0.63 turbine housing on meth or the FP Red on meth both tuned around the 25-28PSI mark. With all this said, am I on the right track? What do you fellahs think?

Again, I really wish that matters between customers and vendors were handled at the lowest level and all facts weighed unbiasly before accusations are thrown through cyberspace. Hopefully this matter will be resolved with anymore E-gansterism going on.
I think we have shown beyond a doubt at this point that the transmission was rebuilt with our Stage 1. That is all that is important as we were accused of not doing the work, which certainly was not the case, nor will it ever be the case for work performed here.
Why it failed, as I also have said, we will never know. You have it apart, you are doing the rebuild yourself and since you were not aware that syncro's are two different colors depending on which side you look at it is fairly obvious you will not be able to determine why it did actually fail in 4,000 miles. I also do not agree that you can pound/power shift a transmission for 4,000 miles and expect it to shift as well as it did when fresh.
Pure EVO, if you don't mind, cut and paste your question to me in a PM. Sticking around in this thread any longer isn't something I'd like to do.
Why it failed, as I also have said, we will never know. You have it apart, you are doing the rebuild yourself and since you were not aware that syncro's are two different colors depending on which side you look at it is fairly obvious you will not be able to determine why it did actually fail in 4,000 miles. I also do not agree that you can pound/power shift a transmission for 4,000 miles and expect it to shift as well as it did when fresh.
Pure EVO, if you don't mind, cut and paste your question to me in a PM. Sticking around in this thread any longer isn't something I'd like to do.
You must not be playing with a full deck. Because everyone goes down the highway ramming gears. 4k miles. Would you like pictures of the evo on the beach in Florida? You know I live in Wisconsin and I did not ship the car there or trailer it.
I have done many dsm trannys and pounded the **** out of them. They last way more than 4k miles.
Why did my stock trans hold up to 15k miles of pure **** pounding and just start to grind into 5th gear. 4k miles and I have a boat anchor.
5th gear syncro is shinny on both sides and all the others are shinny on one and dull on the other.
I have done many dsm trannys and pounded the **** out of them. They last way more than 4k miles.
Why did my stock trans hold up to 15k miles of pure **** pounding and just start to grind into 5th gear. 4k miles and I have a boat anchor.
5th gear syncro is shinny on both sides and all the others are shinny on one and dull on the other.
Maybe you just have bad luck, that is the motorsport..
I am not expert but shocking a transmission is a recipe for disaster. That is probably what happened. These things are strong but man there is no give, AWD, you are the "Give" with your driving ability.
David, I have to ask, and for a reason, how do you polish the syncro hubs? I have kept my mouth shut on this matter as I don't like to jump to conclusions. However I've rebuilt EVO transmissions including the one in my own car and now in Extremes car this past Friday. David I have no doubts all of the syncros were replaced, however who ever and how ever that 1st/2nd syncro hub was polished seems to be the issue with this tranny. There was way to much material removed from it, so much that the syncro sleeve was able to twist sideways and jam up and catch on the syncro spring and only a few teeth made contact at first. When I pulled out parts from my tranny with 65k miles they had no where near the amount of play in comparison to Franks hub/sleeve with 4k miles. Even with a new sleeve it is down right sloppy. I'm not here to bash and point fingers, but I can't sit back and not say what I've come across first hand when rebuilding this tranny. It just simply seems like a combo of hard shifting and a very sloppy syncro hub that really seems like to much material was removed. In comparison the 2 other hubs/sleeves were not showing these same characteristics.
The only other thing it could have been, and I think this would be less likely is that the hub was worn before the rebuild and no one caught this while rebuilding. Though it was extremely obvious with in a matter of seconds of putting a new sleeve on the hub you could tell it was just way too sloppy.
The only other thing it could have been, and I think this would be less likely is that the hub was worn before the rebuild and no one caught this while rebuilding. Though it was extremely obvious with in a matter of seconds of putting a new sleeve on the hub you could tell it was just way too sloppy.
Last edited by Nasty Evolution; Apr 13, 2009 at 07:09 AM.
Actually, Dan asked me when I was discussing this last week not to go into details on the polishing, there is no material removed though, it is simply "cleaned" to make the engagement smoother, so the theory you have does not apply.








