FP Black Boost Holding Skillz
FP Black Boost Holding Skillz
His Motorsports built FP Black
Mods
2.3 10.5 compression
HIS mildly ported head
HIS Ported Intake Manifold
HIS Ported Exhaust Manifold
HIS Ported FP Black Turbo
Works o2 Housing and dowpipe
25 PSI High Pressure Actuator
HKS EVC 6 Boost Controller
Revolver cams
GSC Beehive Springs and Tit Retainers
RC 1200's
ETS 4 inch FMIC
Mods
2.3 10.5 compression
HIS mildly ported head
HIS Ported Intake Manifold
HIS Ported Exhaust Manifold
HIS Ported FP Black Turbo
Works o2 Housing and dowpipe
25 PSI High Pressure Actuator
HKS EVC 6 Boost Controller
Revolver cams
GSC Beehive Springs and Tit Retainers
RC 1200's
ETS 4 inch FMIC
Nice to see it working past the 36psi limit 
I'm not sure if I would title a thread "Boost holding skillz" and then show a absolutely horrible boost curve and power curve that looks like a wet noodle on the high sea.
Then again, the title does spell skills with a Z, yo.
Then again, the title does spell skills with a Z, yo.
Last edited by razorlab; Aug 12, 2011 at 01:16 PM.
His Motorsports built FP Black
Mods
2.3 10.5 compression
HIS mildly ported head
HIS Ported Intake Manifold
HIS Ported Exhaust Manifold
HIS Ported FP Black Turbo
Works o2 Housing and dowpipe
25 PSI High Pressure Actuator
HKS EVC 6 Boost Controller
Revolver cams
GSC Beehive Springs and Tit Retainers
RC 1200's
ETS 4 inch FMIC
Mods
2.3 10.5 compression
HIS mildly ported head
HIS Ported Intake Manifold
HIS Ported Exhaust Manifold
HIS Ported FP Black Turbo
Works o2 Housing and dowpipe
25 PSI High Pressure Actuator
HKS EVC 6 Boost Controller
Revolver cams
GSC Beehive Springs and Tit Retainers
RC 1200's
ETS 4 inch FMIC
you can get a much better looking boost curve and hold whatever you want with ecu boost also till redline.. i dont see this turbo lasting very long with that kind of boost curve until redline on a 2.3 honestly. if you want to run that much boost on this turbo you should be measuring shaft speeds with a speed sensor plumbed into the turbo.
every setups different of course, but on mine anything past 38psi at redline when i was testing with the ecu boost choked the turbo.
if you take the 41.5 and the 37.5 at redline you have 4psi increase.. the setup should be making somewhere around 10wtq per psi so you went from 558tq to 584tq.. so you figure from a 4 psi higher curve you gained 26wtq.. that pretty much tells me you're overspinning that turbo past its designed aero.
every setups different of course, but on mine anything past 38psi at redline when i was testing with the ecu boost choked the turbo.
if you take the 41.5 and the 37.5 at redline you have 4psi increase.. the setup should be making somewhere around 10wtq per psi so you went from 558tq to 584tq.. so you figure from a 4 psi higher curve you gained 26wtq.. that pretty much tells me you're overspinning that turbo past its designed aero.
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you can get a much better looking boost curve and hold whatever you want with ecu boost also till redline.. i dont see this turbo lasting very long with that kind of boost curve until redline on a 2.3 honestly. if you want to run that much boost on this turbo you should be measuring shaft speeds with a speed sensor plumbed into the turbo.
every setups different of course, but on mine anything past 38psi at redline when i was testing with the ecu boost choked the turbo.
if you take the 41.5 and the 37.5 at redline you have 4psi increase.. the setup should be making somewhere around 10wtq per psi so you went from 558tq to 584tq.. so you figure from a 4 psi higher curve you gained 26wtq.. that pretty much tells me you're overspinning that turbo past its designed aero.
every setups different of course, but on mine anything past 38psi at redline when i was testing with the ecu boost choked the turbo.
if you take the 41.5 and the 37.5 at redline you have 4psi increase.. the setup should be making somewhere around 10wtq per psi so you went from 558tq to 584tq.. so you figure from a 4 psi higher curve you gained 26wtq.. that pretty much tells me you're overspinning that turbo past its designed aero.
As for the boost curve not being smooth. It is trying to hold the boost at certain points unlike a external wastegate. The funny thing is boostedwrx is right! The evc6 stops at 37 psi, so with it still working over that amount is pretty amazing to me. I would go to bet that no 3 port would do the same.
Razor, If you find a 2.3 fp black line holding solid and not falling off, I would be pretty surprised. All stock frame turbos push to the limit will def. be pushing alot of hot air and that is why the graph would look like that.
In the end this was for fun for the customer and to play around a little. The car is making 615 and 603 at 38 psi falling to 36.
you would be surprised what you can do with a 3 port on ecu boost man.
if you preload the wastegate actuator and have a decent 3 port solenoid and are using ecu boost you can pretty much control the boost curve like this example below;
but theres a point where to much boost wont do anything but destroy the turbo.. so you have to be careful.
so what im saying is the ecu boost with a good 3 port will destroy those results you got on that specific controller in the right hands.
thats a lot of torque tho. im sure that car is very fun to drive and i hope he has a good suspension.
if you preload the wastegate actuator and have a decent 3 port solenoid and are using ecu boost you can pretty much control the boost curve like this example below;
but theres a point where to much boost wont do anything but destroy the turbo.. so you have to be careful.
so what im saying is the ecu boost with a good 3 port will destroy those results you got on that specific controller in the right hands.
thats a lot of torque tho. im sure that car is very fun to drive and i hope he has a good suspension.
It can't be to show off that horrid wavy wet noodle boost curve.
you would be surprised what you can do with a 3 port on ecu boost man.
if you preload the wastegate actuator and have a decent 3 port solenoid and are using ecu boost you can pretty much control the boost curve like this example below;
but theres a point where to much boost wont do anything but destroy the turbo.. so you have to be careful.
so what im saying is the ecu boost with a good 3 port will destroy those results you got on that specific controller in the right hands.
thats a lot of torque tho. im sure that car is very fun to drive and i hope he has a good suspension.
if you preload the wastegate actuator and have a decent 3 port solenoid and are using ecu boost you can pretty much control the boost curve like this example below;
but theres a point where to much boost wont do anything but destroy the turbo.. so you have to be careful.
so what im saying is the ecu boost with a good 3 port will destroy those results you got on that specific controller in the right hands.
thats a lot of torque tho. im sure that car is very fun to drive and i hope he has a good suspension.
just a omnipower 4bar map sensor reading with virtual dyno. there is no smoothing its just a smooth boost curve.
from my experience yes i can hold that on a 2.3 with a fp black and 3 port powered by ecu boost.. ive done it on my personal evo and have welded the thrust bearings together lol.
i personally wouldnt go past 34-35psi on a 2.3 with a fp black at redline, otherwise you're just asking for it without a speed sensor to measure actual shaft speeds.
from my experience yes i can hold that on a 2.3 with a fp black and 3 port powered by ecu boost.. ive done it on my personal evo and have welded the thrust bearings together lol.
i personally wouldnt go past 34-35psi on a 2.3 with a fp black at redline, otherwise you're just asking for it without a speed sensor to measure actual shaft speeds.
I wasn't talking about the falling off, I am talking about the wet noodle high sea wave curve that starts as soon as peak boost happens. It's a horrible boost curve, and much like you pushing the turbo WAY past it's prime, I'm not really sure why you started this thread.
It can't be to show off that horrid wavy wet noodle boost curve.
It can't be to show off that horrid wavy wet noodle boost curve.
So that noodle your seeing is not smooth, because there is no smoothing added like mustang dynos do.
just a omnipower 4bar map sensor reading with virtual dyno. there is no smoothing its just a smooth boost curve.
from my experience yes i can hold that on a 2.3 with a fp black and 3 port powered by ecu boost.. ive done it on my personal evo and have welded the thrust bearings together lol.
i personally wouldnt go past 34-35psi on a 2.3 with a fp black at redline, otherwise you're just asking for it without a speed sensor to measure actual shaft speeds.
from my experience yes i can hold that on a 2.3 with a fp black and 3 port powered by ecu boost.. ive done it on my personal evo and have welded the thrust bearings together lol.
i personally wouldnt go past 34-35psi on a 2.3 with a fp black at redline, otherwise you're just asking for it without a speed sensor to measure actual shaft speeds.