evo 9 turbo on steroids
I dunnoo... like 268.5lbs, give or take, I think my list is pretty up to date.
The lightweight mods like the reduction of rotating mass and drag will increase the production of Hp available at the wheels. Which essentially lowers the mechanical loss on the car for example; as Tom said the drive shaft, brakes were huge. Air-conditioning also reduces weight and drag on the motor. It is not one deciding factor or mod, it is the totality of the circumstances that make it what it is. Not to mention the attention to detail on the car like fact that I use t-bolt clamps so I don't leak, and I use high temp RTV on all flanges on the exhaust to ensure no leaks. Mods like evap/egr, solid diff mounts and the mustache eliminator take weight off the "top" of the car.
That being said that's not even all of the weight reduction mods. The skeptics do not realize the amount of research that went into the modding process. It was to the point, I had Adam@MAPerformance calling vendors to have their coilovers weighed exactly because the fedex weights would not suffice.
From my posts you should have gotten that the I have:
Lightweight rotors
Driveshaft
No Egr/Evap
Aluminum mounts/and mustache eliminator
No AC
Coilovers
ETC....
The car weighs 2960 with No driver. It is a light car, many of which are rotating mass. I have spend a lot of $$ and time on the car. Every part was researched and the front brakes are the Baer, lightest full sized front rotor (just to show you the thought process that went into my modding). I have a spread sheet of all of the weight savings over stock. I weighed every part. Not your average evo.
You pulled 2 cars on a 09 911 turbo, 6MT or auto?? From a stop or a roll? Those are 118 trap cars, and the boogie up top. What have you done on the 1320? better than 118?
The car I ran was a race shop owners shop car. Cool *** guy and fast *** car. Hopefully he will run me on race gas when I am on meth.
Wifi is scarce where I am, so I will chime in when I can.
That being said that's not even all of the weight reduction mods. The skeptics do not realize the amount of research that went into the modding process. It was to the point, I had Adam@MAPerformance calling vendors to have their coilovers weighed exactly because the fedex weights would not suffice.
From my posts you should have gotten that the I have:
Lightweight rotors
Driveshaft
No Egr/Evap
Aluminum mounts/and mustache eliminator
No AC
Coilovers
ETC....
The car weighs 2960 with No driver. It is a light car, many of which are rotating mass. I have spend a lot of $$ and time on the car. Every part was researched and the front brakes are the Baer, lightest full sized front rotor (just to show you the thought process that went into my modding). I have a spread sheet of all of the weight savings over stock. I weighed every part. Not your average evo.
You pulled 2 cars on a 09 911 turbo, 6MT or auto?? From a stop or a roll? Those are 118 trap cars, and the boogie up top. What have you done on the 1320? better than 118?
The car I ran was a race shop owners shop car. Cool *** guy and fast *** car. Hopefully he will run me on race gas when I am on meth.
Wifi is scarce where I am, so I will chime in when I can.
were gonna put it on a real dyno once we finish the meth injection tune so that should seal the deal of approval.
hes had it on the dyno before.. its not your average evo. it puts down high numbers compared to others. i did however do the entire tune from scratch. the other tuner took a different approach in extracting power on 93 then we did.. ours of course show higher gains.
the intake manifold + tb + dump help it a lot. i think it also has a light weight driveshaft.. other then that i dont know what makes it have such high numbers. ecu boost certainly helps as well on smaller frame turbos.
with a smoothing of even 10 its still over 400 on virtual dyno.. and anyone who uses virtual dyno frequently knows a smoothing of 10 actually starts showing %'s lower then actual dynojet.
with a smoothing of 1 there are no spikes present anywhere so graph wise its definitely legit. timing & RPM axis is what causes the mild hump uptop where it peaks hp.
he did mention though i set it 19lbs higher weight .. (not on purpose) so deduct 2hp 2tq from the numbers.
lets just say its at 400 and if it doesn't dyno near 400 or over 400 then there we go. but i have a feeling its going to go over 400 on a real dynojet once we adjust the boost curve after it gets on the dyno since dynojets lower boost as soon as you get on them unlike a mustang where its more real world accuracy.
did i answer your questions for the most part or do you have more?
hes had it on the dyno before.. its not your average evo. it puts down high numbers compared to others. i did however do the entire tune from scratch. the other tuner took a different approach in extracting power on 93 then we did.. ours of course show higher gains.
the intake manifold + tb + dump help it a lot. i think it also has a light weight driveshaft.. other then that i dont know what makes it have such high numbers. ecu boost certainly helps as well on smaller frame turbos.
with a smoothing of even 10 its still over 400 on virtual dyno.. and anyone who uses virtual dyno frequently knows a smoothing of 10 actually starts showing %'s lower then actual dynojet.
with a smoothing of 1 there are no spikes present anywhere so graph wise its definitely legit. timing & RPM axis is what causes the mild hump uptop where it peaks hp.
he did mention though i set it 19lbs higher weight .. (not on purpose) so deduct 2hp 2tq from the numbers.
lets just say its at 400 and if it doesn't dyno near 400 or over 400 then there we go. but i have a feeling its going to go over 400 on a real dynojet once we adjust the boost curve after it gets on the dyno since dynojets lower boost as soon as you get on them unlike a mustang where its more real world accuracy.
did i answer your questions for the most part or do you have more?
I thought that meth was infrequently used at this point due to the various issues it can (and has caused given the number of threads on this forum) cause and with the advent of e85.
Whats your opinion on running meth on an evo anyway? Ive had great results on a subaru but heard are intake manifolds are kinda crappy and it can cause one cylinder to run very lean compared to the others. I dont have e85 in my area so Ide like the opinion of a tuner who has experience with this on an evo. If this is kinda off topic please pm me when you get a chance
i suppose it really depends on the setup, nozzles, etc.. but all in all im pretty sure you're right.
should just forget the meth and throw e85 in the car and call it a day.
The lightweight mods like the reduction of rotating mass and drag will increase the production of Hp available at the wheels. Which essentially lowers the mechanical loss on the car for example; as Tom said the drive shaft, brakes were huge. Air-conditioning also reduces weight and drag on the motor. It is not one deciding factor or mod, it is the totality of the circumstances that make it what it is. Not to mention the attention to detail on the car like fact that I use t-bolt clamps so I don't leak, and I use high temp RTV on all flanges on the exhaust to ensure no leaks. Mods like evap/egr, solid diff mounts and the mustache eliminator take weight off the "top" of the car.
That being said that's not even all of the weight reduction mods. The skeptics do not realize the amount of research that went into the modding process. It was to the point, I had Adam@MAPerformance calling vendors to have their coilovers weighed exactly because the fedex weights would not suffice.
From my posts you should have gotten that the I have:
Lightweight rotors
Driveshaft
No Egr/Evap
Aluminum mounts/and mustache eliminator
No AC
Coilovers
ETC....
The car weighs 2960 with No driver. It is a light car, many of which are rotating mass. I have spend a lot of $$ and time on the car. Every part was researched and the front brakes are the Baer, lightest full sized front rotor (just to show you the thought process that went into my modding). I have a spread sheet of all of the weight savings over stock. I weighed every part. Not your average evo.
You pulled 2 cars on a 09 911 turbo, 6MT or auto?? From a stop or a roll? Those are 118 trap cars, and the boogie up top. What have you done on the 1320? better than 118?
The car I ran was a race shop owners shop car. Cool *** guy and fast *** car. Hopefully he will run me on race gas when I am on meth.
Wifi is scarce where I am, so I will chime in when I can.
That being said that's not even all of the weight reduction mods. The skeptics do not realize the amount of research that went into the modding process. It was to the point, I had Adam@MAPerformance calling vendors to have their coilovers weighed exactly because the fedex weights would not suffice.
From my posts you should have gotten that the I have:
Lightweight rotors
Driveshaft
No Egr/Evap
Aluminum mounts/and mustache eliminator
No AC
Coilovers
ETC....
The car weighs 2960 with No driver. It is a light car, many of which are rotating mass. I have spend a lot of $$ and time on the car. Every part was researched and the front brakes are the Baer, lightest full sized front rotor (just to show you the thought process that went into my modding). I have a spread sheet of all of the weight savings over stock. I weighed every part. Not your average evo.
You pulled 2 cars on a 09 911 turbo, 6MT or auto?? From a stop or a roll? Those are 118 trap cars, and the boogie up top. What have you done on the 1320? better than 118?
The car I ran was a race shop owners shop car. Cool *** guy and fast *** car. Hopefully he will run me on race gas when I am on meth.
Wifi is scarce where I am, so I will chime in when I can.
) I would need the Zetronics ethanol content analyzer. In the event I ever went on a trip or something. It just gets a bit complicated.I felt like meth was my best choice its available at the push of a button
. I went with the Aquamist HFS 6 kit because it had the most available safety's and it integrated well. Additionally, my friend also a forum member on evom had been working closely with Richard L. He helped write the install manual and (with my help) we tested the various kits and safety's on his car, measured flow rates, tested different pumps and flow sensors. We suggested changes and so fourth. He ran an identical setup and had not had a problem. I run 2 1.0 nozzles tapped on the UICP and positioned what we believe to be the best spot. So I believe, when in doubt that some cylinders may be deprived meth. Just run a butt load, to be on the safe side of dangerous! lol When it comes to meth, he helped write the book (I have been dieing to say it lol). Anyhow, I don't run it very often and it works for right now. I knowingly accept the risk associated with meth. 
I will have time slip in a week or so. Get one yourself and maybe something other than virtual dyno numbers if you wanna really claim something. It's awfully juvenile to say you "pulled two car on (fill in the blank)". Don't try to school me on rotational mass. I have a pretty good feeling that's where you're higher than average numbers come from and that's fine. Just do yourself the favor and get a quantifiable test of sorts that will solidify your power claim. No disrespect. Looks like you have a strong car. Let's see some 1320 numbers.
I have suggestion for something other than virtual dyno but not may people are familiar with it. Its called vbox, its a gps device that measures your acceleration, gforce, road slope and a few other parameters. The vbox standard id 60-130, check it out over on 6speedonline the Porsche/Exotic forum. If your interested let me know I can give you more details about the test.
Next, I my self did not say "pulled two cars on (fill in the blank)". Regardless you are calling me Juvenile for this, if I remember correctly in your thread you said on your way to work you had a Porsche 911 for breakfast. Lol, call it what you will just know you are guilty of the same
. You made some good numbers yourself, so I do not doubt that you will run well at the track. Rather than argue with you, Good luck at the track!
If you need anymore pointers on rotational mass, I gunna charge you.
Im not here to argue with you. I really won't have any use for your advice either. I'll look to guys who build and tune with much more experience than you or I. I'll also pass on your Vbox numbers. Lol. The only reason I've kept up with this thread to begin with is for the simple fact that your numbers are high for the mods you claim. I've been looking at dyno sheets here and elsewhere of evo's for the past 6 yrs(I lurked for a couple years here before being a member) and it's very obvious that your car is not a normal Evo. Just wanted an explanation not an arguement. Good luck to you. Unsubscribed.
Last edited by 4xforce; Oct 18, 2011 at 09:34 AM. Reason: Add more smack talking.
its a well built car with lots of attention to detail and lots of abnormal light weight mod things done to it.. if i get the list of rotational mass mods ill add them to the mod list because i feel they fall in the category of performance mods and should be displayed.
im going to update the first graph with the proper weight 19lb less which will decrease power 2hp 2tq as i mentioned in here already.
cant really argue with the tq curve tho.. it hits very early and holds. and those who know how virtual dyno smooths... it will hit even sooner on a real dyno. vd always makes the tq curve look lazy at initial early rpm peak.
im going to update the first graph with the proper weight 19lb less which will decrease power 2hp 2tq as i mentioned in here already.
cant really argue with the tq curve tho.. it hits very early and holds. and those who know how virtual dyno smooths... it will hit even sooner on a real dyno. vd always makes the tq curve look lazy at initial early rpm peak.
its a well built car with lots of attention to detail and lots of abnormal light weight mod things done to it.. if i get the list of rotational mass mods ill add them to the mod list because i feel they fall in the category of performance mods and should be displayed.
im going to update the first graph with the proper weight 19lb less which will decrease power 2hp 2tq as i mentioned in here already.
cant really argue with the tq curve tho.. it hits very early and holds. and those who know how virtual dyno smooths... it will hit even sooner on a real dyno. vd always makes the tq curve look lazy at initial early rpm peak.
im going to update the first graph with the proper weight 19lb less which will decrease power 2hp 2tq as i mentioned in here already.
cant really argue with the tq curve tho.. it hits very early and holds. and those who know how virtual dyno smooths... it will hit even sooner on a real dyno. vd always makes the tq curve look lazy at initial early rpm peak.