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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Freddie@Spec-Ops
Mrfred, take into account that the cat is also a factor for exhaust manifold pressure as well... anything that can hinder exhaust flow I would assume drive up the turbines back pressure which would result in an increase in exhaust manifold pressure... that is just my idea of thought...
Agree 100%.

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That short runner, MAP,GT Spec, tomioka exhaust manifold isn't helping the power potential. I thought you were using a good one like the Toxicfab or FID I know you had them at one time.
Nah, the GTSpec is fine. The downfall of this manifold is the lack of lifetime guarantee.
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 10:09 AM
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Does your EVO have MIVEC still??
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 10:20 AM
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great powerband, frederickson!

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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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excellent results. still want to see that cardboard air box....
yeah lets see that cardboard air box
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 09:32 PM
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Great results. BBK FTW!
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 10:50 PM
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yeah lets see that cardboard air box
If it's anything like the one I have, you can get them at UPS. 8" by 8" by 8" box for $1.79
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 11:25 PM
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+1 pics of cardboard airbox!!!

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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 11:31 PM
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Great numbers MRFred! i know there is a bunch left in it.

His cardboard Airbox is super sweet

He convinced me to make one too, could tell quite a difference in intake temps when logging.
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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 09:58 AM
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I can't believe you've got that much tq going thru the stock clutch. I keep wanting to swap mine out (recently went hta green) but I guess I'll just run it into the ground. Great powerband btw...that full can really spool
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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by YogSaahoth
I can't believe you've got that much tq going thru the stock clutch. I keep wanting to swap mine out (recently went hta green) but I guess I'll just run it into the ground. Great powerband btw...that full can really spool
I'm only pushing 420 ft-lbs in 1st thru 3rd gear. I've got 4th-6th gear detuned to about 390 ft-lbs. Trying to preserve clutch and 6-speed. :-)
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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 10:11 AM
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cardboard air box pics!!!!

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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MJ23FE
cardboard air box pics!!!!

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Turns out that I posted pics over a year ago. I'll dig up the link a bit later today.
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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 01:21 PM
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Turns out that I posted pics over a year ago. I'll dig up the link a bit later today.
Save your time!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/8214781-post65.html
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Nice work Fred. I have some interesting things to share based on your data.
Low compression engines take a hit to volumetric efficiency (on the order of ~10%) when the Pexh is higher than Pin. This is less dramatic with higher compression engines (14-18:1), but is still present.

Can you share what sensor you used and how you mounted it to the turbo manifold?

Time to get that Ball Bearing BBK

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Old Jan 22, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by R/TErnie
Nice work Fred. I have some interesting things to share based on your data.
Low compression engines take a hit to volumetric efficiency (on the order of ~10%) when the Pexh is higher than Pin. This is less dramatic with higher compression engines (14-18:1), but is still present.

Can you share what sensor you used and how you mounted it to the turbo manifold?

Time to get that Ball Bearing BBK
Yeah, I figure that once Pexh surpasses Pin, the turbo is getting well out of its efficiency range, but the 4G63 is so damn tough, we all can get away with it at least for street duty. If I decide to do a turbo swap, it will likely be a journal bearing HTA Green. Seems like its worth another 50 ft-lbs and 50 whp with almost no loss in spool.

I've been using Kavlico pressure sensors. Not cheap, but they've been holding up well to a variety of environments including exhaust gas and E85. I've got a pretty decent separation between the sensor and the exhaust manifold. The sensor is actually sitting in the engine bay above the fuel rail, and I connect to the EM using 1/8" stainless tubing and Swagelok (only the best) fittings. I was a bit worried that the 1/8" tubing would be too restrictive for rapid response, but so far, the response looks excellent.
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