BR 2.3 - FP Black DBB - 36psi - E85
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Car looks great as always.
I am surprised to see the car making 600whp - figured at this point it would be over 650 without a fuss. Are you out of wg duty cycle at peak power or still have room to climb?
Timing at peak power?
I am surprised to see the car making 600whp - figured at this point it would be over 650 without a fuss. Are you out of wg duty cycle at peak power or still have room to climb?
Timing at peak power?
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Thanks Collin! The manifold seems to be getting nicer as i heat cycle it lol. the Toxicfab emblem on it looks like a rainbow / chameleon color now.
The pedal stop worked perfect also for the full blown TB!
Thanks Eddie! I dont think its going to go 138 though.. however 4th does feel really strong.
Well I have another customer who wired in a map sensor to his car and his runs great, so i can give you his information on how he did his car.
I hope so Scott!
The S3's will make more top end no doubt. the question is how much?
Ya Eddie, your car is the reason i got the s3's downstairs waiting to go in
do you want to see the virtual dyno of the car at the time it made the dynojet pull? i do have all that information and can definitely share overlays for you. I would put the car back on that dynojet, but that dynojet is 3 hours away from me in philly area.. i could probably get it arranged though.
2d. i put every car on 2d.
there is no loss in spool, no loss in tq.. im not loading the car up like i did before. the car feels wicked downlow.. ill get a log of loading it up.. it definitely didnt lose power anywhere, im very confident in that. Its still making 450tq at 4500RPM like it was before.. honestly it might be making more.. it feels very strong and it did not delay spool at all. the bigger runner & plenum intake manifold woke the car up big time. it is WAY more responsive now.
WGDC @ about 70% right now. The mbc outspools a 3 port, so when you use a mbc with a 3 port, you get the best of both worlds. that and the ability to up boost at will in car or out of car without having to flash the vehicle.
I honestly can not feel any loss of tq or power downlow. infact the car is spinning from 45-50mph roll in 2nd before it was not doing that at lower boost levels. plus its even hotter out now then it was before i ran on that dynojet.
I will get you a hit at 2500 to show you power comparisons. I think it may surprise a few people that its not going to alter the spool or tq curve. it is because its a 2.3 and the stock intake manifold is restrictive for them.
Thanks same here! I need to break the trans in more before i run it down the track though. I tried to go through gears quick and it felt alittle weird.. its still very notchy.
Thanks BJ! Same here!
When comparing my car to customers, my powers right where it should be.. so i dunno why its always a surprise its at the power its at. its running more timing then the stock block i did that made 627whp on a fp black (evo 9). (he was running more boost). 18*~
It still has room to climb. its at 70% right now. It can probably be forced to run 38ish and it should make more power, but i dont know how close that is to the turbo saying goodbye (in the aol voice) lol. gotta be careful with the 2.3L
The pedal stop worked perfect also for the full blown TB!
I hope so Scott!
2d. i put every car on 2d.
wow those are some massive torque losses.
4000 its down 80
4500 its down 130
even 5000 its 70
before it looked fun from 4500-7700
now its looks fun from 6000-8000
two different beasts for sure.
and no tellin which parts are helping or hurting with sooo many changes. so important to make one change at a time and assess.
4000 its down 80
4500 its down 130
even 5000 its 70
before it looked fun from 4500-7700
now its looks fun from 6000-8000
two different beasts for sure.
and no tellin which parts are helping or hurting with sooo many changes. so important to make one change at a time and assess.
sure I saw that. there are a tonne of variables left out. but in short there are at least two parts added that are known torque killers. with only the before and after graphs to look at from here my observation remains. he did state he only cares about 1/4 mile performance so it doesnt matter
.Due to traffic, i could not load the car up downlow to show a better comparison under the curve, but that isnt even the area i care about anymore, but i know others do. let me just say i cant notice any loss of power downlow, if anything it feels more responsive. I had timing loaded in the car and had it aggressive, and it peaked around 570wtq.. but i took it back out. thats not what im after. what im after is 1/4 track powerband usage.
.Due to traffic, i could not load the car up downlow to show a better comparison under the curve, but that isnt even the area i care about anymore, but i know others do. let me just say i cant notice any loss of power downlow, if anything it feels more responsive. I had timing loaded in the car and had it aggressive, and it peaked around 570wtq.. but i took it back out. thats not what im after. what im after is 1/4 track powerband usage.
I will get you a hit at 2500 to show you power comparisons. I think it may surprise a few people that its not going to alter the spool or tq curve. it is because its a 2.3 and the stock intake manifold is restrictive for them.
Thanks same here! I need to break the trans in more before i run it down the track though. I tried to go through gears quick and it felt alittle weird.. its still very notchy.
It still has room to climb. its at 70% right now. It can probably be forced to run 38ish and it should make more power, but i dont know how close that is to the turbo saying goodbye (in the aol voice) lol. gotta be careful with the 2.3L
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When comparing my car to customers, my powers right where it should be.. so i dunno why its always a surprise its at the power its at. its running more timing then the stock block i did that made 627whp on a fp black (evo 9). (he was running more boost). 18*~
It still has room to climb. its at 70% right now. It can probably be forced to run 38ish and it should make more power, but i dont know how close that is to the turbo saying goodbye (in the aol voice) lol. gotta be careful with the 2.3L
If you were on a journal bearing turbo, I'd be spot on with you. Since you have the DBB turn them shlts up!
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Tom you need to add a 02 dump
For some more top end
I've got a toxi fab 02 dump you can try while my motor is being built
I recommend having it ported tho
Great numbers regardlesss
Lmk
Cheers
For some more top end
I've got a toxi fab 02 dump you can try while my motor is being built
I recommend having it ported tho
Great numbers regardlesss
Lmk
Cheers
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first i must break in the trans more. it was being extremely notchy. I put 40 miles on it just now with no boost.. (had to drive it in the rain just so i would stay out of it).. im really bad when it comes to self control with my car and WOT.
The trans is really starting to loosen up now tho and feel much better. still notchy, but not as bad now. I just hope i didnt hurt it by going straight out with no break in with 600whp. i did not launch the car though or shift super aggressive yet.
I would, but i hate removing the o2 housing.. its never easy on my car.
We can if you want. you have a 3 port though, and a bigger turbo will make all its power uptop, so its not going to make a huge impact. but if you want to set that up let me know ill contact you on yahoo.
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You've done everything to help the motor breathe and on kill should be able to do ~700whp.
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there is no loss in spool, no loss in tq.. im not loading the car up like i did before. the car feels wicked downlow.. ill get a log of loading it up.. it definitely didnt lose power anywhere, im very confident in that. Its still making 450tq at 4500RPM like it was before.. honestly it might be making more.. it feels very strong and it did not delay spool at all. the bigger runner & plenum intake manifold woke the car up big time. it is WAY more responsive now.
I honestly can not feel any loss of tq or power downlow. infact the car is spinning from 45-50mph roll in 2nd before it was not doing that at lower boost levels. plus its even hotter out now then it was before i ran on that dynojet.
I will get you a hit at 2500 to show you power comparisons. I think it may surprise a few people that its not going to alter the spool or tq curve. it is because its a 2.3 and the stock intake manifold is restrictive for them.
I honestly can not feel any loss of tq or power downlow. infact the car is spinning from 45-50mph roll in 2nd before it was not doing that at lower boost levels. plus its even hotter out now then it was before i ran on that dynojet.
I will get you a hit at 2500 to show you power comparisons. I think it may surprise a few people that its not going to alter the spool or tq curve. it is because its a 2.3 and the stock intake manifold is restrictive for them.
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I was starting to wonder about loss of spoolup myself but now that you clarified on loading the car, it makes sense. I would like to see the before and after comparison with loading at 2500 also. So a good 40whp gain from intake/SD/tubular manifold. Engine bay looks very nice BTW.
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Last time i adjusted the master cylinder travel i did it per Jack transmissions guide where you adjust it until you cant push in the slave cylinder rod anymore, then adjust it back until you can push it in.. then that confirms you have max clutch pedal travel.
ive had it on jackstands before also and it is not dragging last i checked. i might need to top it off with more fluid though since a newly built trans will get alittle low after some mileage on it even if it overflows on the first time filling it up.
if you have any other recommendations that i do / check, let me know. thanks.
more info:
just idling in my driveway and trying to shift with the clutch in, 4th gear was hard as hell to go in.. it didnt wanna go in at all. the rest of the gears seemed ok though.
Driving the car 4th gear goes in fine though, and so do the rest of the gears. sometimes at a stop sign when i try to put it in 1st tho it is very rough / hard to go in..
with the car turned off it goes in every gear easy though.. before i had it rebuilt it never did this stuff before ever.
Last edited by tscompusa; Aug 27, 2012 at 05:33 PM.