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Old May 1, 2013 | 07:08 PM
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I snapped a video of the sound I believe to be an exhaust leak. Funny thing is, I don't think it's the manifold and I know it isn't the manifold to turbo. I can't see the telltale black soot or anything around the head, turbo to manifold, or around the o2 housing connection. Going to see if this works:

Here's a link for now, not quite sure how to embed video yet:
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Edit - the sound is definitely not lifter tick. If I do the old "screwdriver to the ear" trick, the lifters do not get any louder when the sound in the video occurs.

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Old May 1, 2013 | 07:09 PM
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Yup I have the 84. I've also heard its a trade off too.

Your ignition timing sounds low after peak load in general. I understand your idea to hold the 3* but are you watching egt? I'm pretty sure I run at least 2 more degrees at that boost level.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 07:10 PM
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I'm easing into adding timing. Had a very bad experience in a DSM where I got a little overzealous so I'm taking it little by little as far as that goes.

I looked over another log on a totally different road though, it has the same "tail" at the end of the torque curve, FWIW.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 07:11 PM
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Would you be willing to send your rom to me? Wouldn't mind checking out your ramp, and ill send you mine lol
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Old May 1, 2013 | 07:15 PM
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Would you be willing to send your rom to me? Wouldn't mind checking out your ramp, and ill send you mine lol
You have a PM
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Old May 2, 2013 | 03:34 PM
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FWIW, I went back through my logs and found a run from after I bolted on the HTA71 from September that has it spooling to 20 at around 3500 RPM. That was also taken after I did the timing belt which was in July, according to my maintenance spreadsheet so I don't think it's a mechanical timing thing (thank god).
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Old May 2, 2013 | 03:49 PM
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Random thought but what about your Mivec? It can alter the spool as well
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Old May 2, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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Here are the Mivec maps I've been working with.
Attached Thumbnails My self-tuned 71HTA S1/S2 IX-mivec-05022013.jpg   My self-tuned 71HTA S1/S2 IX-mivec-04222013.jpg  
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Old May 3, 2013 | 07:26 AM
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Just curious, would an O2 dump help lower spool, maybe less backpressure?
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Somehow that sound in the video is coming from my turbo. Holding a pry bar to my ear, I get no noise if I'm touching the manifold or valve cover but when I touch any part of the turbo, I hear it loud and clear. Going to take the intake off and see if I have any play. I replaced the exhaust manifold gasket and inspected the manifold, no cracks or leaks in any of that stuff.
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Old May 3, 2013 | 03:36 PM
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Sorry man I haven't opened that email yet, damaged turbo would def not be up to snuff. I took a 71 out already and my second one is growing weak
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Old May 3, 2013 | 04:13 PM
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No worries at all man. Investigating potential turbo trouble is always a double-edged sword. On the one hand, if it's broke, it's upgrade time! On the other, they aren't free and they don't install themselves

So with that said, despite the noise, I didn't feel any shaft play in or out, and just the very slightest wiggle up and down, well within JB tolerances I believe. I also thought something was up because I had an excessive amount of smoke after the manifold gasket install but I think that was just the brake cleaner burning off. I drove it a little and no more smoke, so my two telltale signs are no longer bothering me so, I don't think the turbo is bad. I haven't done a WOT pull since I loaded some MIVEC changes in so I'll see how that goes after my boost leak tester gets here, hopefully tomorrow.
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I would taper your mivec down as load increases around peak torque/load. I don't believe mivec makes the torque. As pressure increases back pressure does as well which overlap is bad at that point afaik
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Ok, so more testing, and I think we may be on to something now.

I removed the 3 port from the circuit to see how the car responded to just being on WG spring pressure. I have the turnbuckle on the FP 18 psi gate down as far as it will go without being in hacksaw territory. The result is I can barely build 15 psi with it, even with all that preload. Additionally, spool was no quicker on just the wastegate.

Looks like I'm in the market for a wastegate actuator?
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Old May 3, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 211ratsbud
I would taper your mivec down as load increases around peak torque/load. I don't believe mivec makes the torque. As pressure increases back pressure does as well which overlap is bad at that point afaik
I've tried a few different MIVEC attempts and, honestly, none have amounted to anything out of the world as far as difference goes. I loaded John Bradley's GSC S2 map from the MIVEC Tuning thread and I honestly can't see or tell a difference between it, the one I was using for the longest time, and an experimental one I found at the tail end of that thread. I do understand your point though and both the experimental one and JB's maps do just what you're saying.
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