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Old Apr 28, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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EVO IX 71HTA S1/S2, poor spool troubleshoot

Got some time to tune the car a little bit today for the warmer weather we're getting, I'm pretty darn happy with the results:



The car weight seems a little high, I know, but it was my best guess at including my sub box and amp (amp is a beast, lol).

Mod list is in sig, fuel is standard 93 pump. I've had the S1/S2 combo installed since last September and I absolutely love it. I don't think many others have it, but the car is very peppy, almost stock-like out of boost, and pulls great up top. It's been awhile, but I think I picked up 20 awhp or something like that after installing them, no other changes. I do think I may have a boost leak though, most graphs I've seen of the 71 and similar stock-frame setups get full boost around 3800 RPM. I'm not getting 25 psi until almost 4200 RPM. Haven't quite figured that one out yet. Timing is set to start at 2*, hold 3* until 5k, then increment slowly to 13* at 7500 RPM. This run was knock-free except for a 1 count just prior to spool.

Next up? I'm really not sure. I've thought about doing a ported intake manifold and TB, or perhaps trying out SD but I honestly don't know how difficult that is to do with Tephra V7. I have a logged OMNI MAP sensor already, so I would just need to add the IAT and, obviously, use the SD version of V7. I've also thought about adding a CoP setup, but not sure if that's worth the money to do. Any thoughts are appreciated, as are any comments on the graph. This is my first post of a VD graph so go easy please

Also, this car will likely never see a track. It's my DD and I couldn't care less what it runs, so long as I'm happy with it. To that end, I am very, very happy with it

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Old Apr 28, 2013 | 09:44 PM
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Nice! I have one and love it.

Something is up for sure with late boost peak
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Old Apr 28, 2013 | 11:22 PM
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This is the first s1/s2 dyno I've seen. Thanks for sharing

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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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Nice! I have one and love it.

Something is up for sure with late boost peak
Yea, I need to do a boost leak test and I'm wondering if having the Injen intake on the 84mm FP cover is hindering me ever-so-slightly. I made some minor timing changes and it *seems* a little better but it's minimal I'm sure.
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 07:46 PM
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If your injen intake is less than 84 mm there is going to be less flow into the turbo.
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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It is, it's meant for the stock inlet, therefore it's not ~3.5" like the 84mm cover. What I'm wondering is, at 25-26 psi, does it matter? I also still have a MAF... I don't know why, but reading through the SD conversion process does not give me a warm fuzzy. It was so easy on DSM's, lol.
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 08:41 PM
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is your wastegate adjustable?? I would check your pre-load. that is a common problem on stock framers that spool slow they are blowing the wastegate open ever so slightly but it causes it to spool way slower.
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Good thought, but unfortunately I'm at the preload limit without breaking out a hacksaw which I honestly don't want to do. I'm using the FP 18 psi actuator. Had I read a little more before picking it up, I would have gone with the 25 psi unit instead.

I have my WGDC at 100% under this load set to 170 in V7 and I need about 70% WGDC to get 25-26 psi, tapering to 22-ish. I do ramp up WGDC with RPM to try and hold boost as much as possible. I've also considered a hybrid boost setup, that seems simple enough.

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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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i think you are just opening now because of drive pressure is overcoming the wastegate possibly. you could always try a stiffer wastegate. There is only so much wgdc can do before you reach the mechanical limitation of the wastegate actuator
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Old May 1, 2013 | 09:12 AM
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My 71 with a few turns of preload on a 25 psi wga opens at 19 and creeps to 21. Lots of back pressure here.

This is with a muse o2 dump that never crept with my hks cams. I run full s2 cams.

This turbo might shine a little better up top with a turbine clip.

I will consider that when its time to send mine in.
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top has an inflated tail at the end. should be ran over on a smooth road if you want an accurate number.

That is spooling really bad. i spool fp black's quicker then you just spooled that 71hta. that 71hta should hit like a stock turbo around 3400RPM on a evo 9 with mivec.

Its either the boost control or wastegate. unless you have your AFR way off due to a faulty reading wideband gauge or something along those lines maybe. could be a boost leak also. could also be maybe the timing is not TDC?
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Op, any updates? I would like to see you sort this out! My 71 hits just about 20 psi roughly 3500 or so, there's charts around somewhere if you search my name.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...age=2&t=648939

Err there it is. That's just a reference line with no boost control btw on my set up
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
top has an inflated tail at the end. should be ran over on a smooth road if you want an accurate number.

That is spooling really bad. i spool fp black's quicker then you just spooled that 71hta. that 71hta should hit like a stock turbo around 3400RPM on a evo 9 with mivec.

Its either the boost control or wastegate. unless you have your AFR way off due to a faulty reading wideband gauge or something along those lines maybe. could be a boost leak also. could also be maybe the timing is not TDC?
Thanks Tom. The road seems smooth, it's flat and out in the middle of nowhere which is why I like to use it. I also always use the same road so, even if the numbers aren't perfect, they are at least consistent. I used a different road yesterday evening and got 391 as my number. It was also about 40* warmer from the pull in the OP.

Timing is dead on, I did it myself and I'm no stranger to 4G63 timing belt jobs.

The tail at the end - I have my WGDC increasing from 70% to 91% out the top to try and hold boost. I'll do a boost leak check ASAP and give some thought to picking up the 25 psi w/g from FP. Also, I've considered getting an MBC for hybrid boost but I'm a total newb at that.

Also, you've got a PM.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 05:25 PM
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I forgot to mention, I do have what sounds like an exhaust leak at the manfiold gasket. I'm swapping that out this weekend but, now that I think about it, I may wait on that until I get the FP 25psi wga since having the manifold off really does make it a ton easier to install.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 211ratsbud
Op, any updates? I would like to see you sort this out! My 71 hits just about 20 psi roughly 3500 or so, there's charts around somewhere if you search my name.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...age=2&t=648939

Err there it is. That's just a reference line with no boost control btw on my set up
I forgot to ask, do you have the 84mm cover? Does that affect spool negatively at all?

Edit - I fully realize that wouldn't account for all of the issue, just a random thought I had.
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