Ted,

1. Please show ME with FACTS how the larger Ic is a waste of money.

2. Show Me how the stock injectors will suffice with the stock turbo. I deifnitely want to see this. Since I run Buschur stage 4 on my car at 19 psi and my IDC were at 95% with an AFR of 11.7

3. Head studs are for cheap insurance to PROTECT the stock studs from stetching. 100.00 is a heck of alot cheaper than replacing a blown headgasket.

This place is so full of misinformation it makes me laugh .

 

I just checked, it didn't come through i guess. Try to send it again.

 

That's fine, it just seems to be largely a non-issue for a stock or nearly stock EVO.

 

Ted,


Please answer my questions above with your researched data to prove otherwise.

 

1. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=104433

2. People running 350whp with them, but nevertheless, chances are most with the factory turbo will never need them.

3. A parachute is cheap insurance for falling out of a plane.

 

Now you show me your researched data.

 

That is why we pressure tested our FMIC for a drop in pressure. Just because one FMIC isn't good doesn't dicredit all of them.

Thank You
Micah

 

1. You are basing this ONE person's findings in your answer, i guess all the Evo people that run AMS and Buschur intercoolers wasted their money .

2. Most people on here don't even know what their IDC's are, but heck you answered for all of them because you know.

 

I'm not discrediting the hardware, just questioning the applicability at the power levels in question. FWIW however, a before/after dyno test with an AMS IC that I've been privvy to did not perform significantly better.

This is not an attack, only an independent, objective observation.

 

No, I'm basing my findings from several persons, both on the track and dyno (read the thread).

Now, please show me your researched data that demonstrates otherwise.

 

I will get a dyon sheet posted up hopefully tomorrow showing the increase in power off of the FMIC on a stock turbo.

 

My runs are in my sig. And before some n00b (not directed at VTECH8TER or Ted B) even goes there- The car was tuned on a Dyno Dynamics, and it reads lower than dynojets. For those that would like to see a conversion, Dynojet approximations of these numbers are ~351whp 93 octane and 367whp 100 octane. Note that the race gas map had a tremendous advantage in area under the curve.

Now for my mods:
TaipanXP turbo-back (O2 dump-back) exhaust
cam gears at -3/-2
HKS 264/264 cams
tubular header
titanium 16G w/ 10.5 housing
XEDE
AMS FMIC and lower IC pipe

I netted approx 2-3whp peak from my AMS intercooler and lower IC pipe. I didn't make any more than that in the midrange, either. The IC and pipe were installed together before the turbo and header, but after everything else. I have 120 or so dyno pulls on my car over the last year from adding mods pretty much one at a time, and re-tuning after each. The car has stock injectors and touches 24.8psi in the midrange, then set to taper to 19psi just before redline. It absolutely does not have a boost leak, but on these injectors and the fact I daily drive this car, I don't really want to run anymore boost than that up top.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to recommend an IC upgrade to anybody who intends to stay with a 16G as their choice of turbocharger. YMMV, but either my stock IC was just fine, or the upgraded one was not needed at this level. With 100whp less at the wheels, modded with only an SAFC, Pruven test pipe, and Buschur muffler delete pipe, I went 12.91@107 last year. Fast forward to now, barring the fact that I'm still on the OE clutch, I have no doubt the car can touch high 11s and trap in the 115mph range. I just need to get back out there and prove it once I have a new clutch at my house waiting to go in.

I'm not bashing the AMS intercooler, far from it! The quality is awesome, and fitment is great other than the requirement of minor trimming to the undertray. I think it is an excellent groundwork mod for when I get injectors and a bigger turbocharger. But as the car is equipped now, I made very little power from it. I purchased it because I was in a slight front end collision, and the stocker was damaged. For the very slight price increase, I was more than happy to pay the difference for the upgrade.

I really think the stock IC is a pretty darn good unit. I saw a 3037S car make 110whp more than my car on the same dyno, and it was still equipped with the OEM intercooler! I feel confident that he'd pick up a good deal more than the 3whp I did if he had my IC, and if he upgrades it soon, I'll be sure to report the results back.

I hope this post is helpful and does not create any animosity, as I'm just sharing my dyno proven results. Again, YMMV.


Seth

 

Please do. What is useful here is a test that demonstrates the before/after difference of the IC only, with a setup that was tuned prior to the IC upgrade.

I already have the AMS lower IC pipe kit, but I have serious reservations about spending for the IC if I should expect only 5whp at the 350whp level.

 

I think you will see a better result if you have all the parts from our stages 1-3 and then you go from a stock FMIC to an AMS FMIC. When we did the test the car had cams, injectors, afc, fuel pump, exhaust, then we put a fmic and it gained 20 hp from it. I'm sure you won't see 20 hp gains on a stock evo but u should see some gains from it. The more mods the more it will help but it definately won't hurt hp by adding our fmic to a car.

 

I'm not stock. Here's my present configuration:

10.5t turbo
HKS 272 cams
Vishnu Cam Gears, set -3/-3
Xede & Xflash, all dyno tuned
255 lph pump
FIC 650cc injectors
Vishnu 3" turboback exhaust
AMS lower IC pipe kit