it's only worth it if you're gonna stay below 400whp.

 

Al, once again you're distorting the facts. I made 50 more on pump gas with a LOWER boost level than yours. I have made over 100 AWHP with a TT flash compared to yours now with pump gas but more mods. Don't confuse the facts like you did even during our discussions when they were right in front of you.

I am not trying to badmouth you or reduce your claims, but people can recommend Dynoflash and I am simply recommending TurboTrix. You don't have to respond to every post that doesn't say to get a Dynoflash.

I don't recommend Dynoflash. Accept it and move on. The only reason more people don't post about not recommending you is because you are such a baby about it. You should learn to take criticism better.

I do not want to get into this with you again. Just take it like a man, Al. Not everyone has had a good experience with your product OR you yourself.

 

Let's not turn this into a pissing match or a commercial. OK.

Bottom line yes a reflash is worth it. Unless you plan on adding alot of parts and doing it in the dribs and drabs program(ie. add catback, save money add downpipe, save money add cams....etc.) which would require many reflashes. Then you might consider a standalone.

Other than that you just have to choose a vendor you feel comfortable with. Call and talk to them, read posts about them on here and take them with a grain of salt.

 

...but mostly talk to them.

 

evotexas

 

I seem to have a libary of so called " case studies" but i have not the time nor energy to post them. Flashing is not easy and i would say even harder to tune then exede and ems. Nobody gives the tuner a graph that says ,, here is X rpms and X load level. Your looking at grids of numbers and you have to figure out where they all fit in. As far as running a flash over an afc,, you will pick up alot of low end torque where the afc will not. You will make almost similiar hp numbers but your torque will lack. The afc just tricks the computer to run more timing. A good flash will correct both the low end torque numbers and still make the same power at lower ignition timing then the afc would. Again when dealing with the factory ecu, the evo comes with two ignition maps, a good tuner will always leave the secondary one very conservative, in the event someone gets a bad tank of gas ect.. the car will revert to this lower ignition map. This is why im such of fan of tuning on the dyno. You can see a 20-30 hp drop from the computer switching maps ... Good luck ..

Mark
Turbotrix

 

it is definately worth the money just look at my sig, before the tune i was at 271 hp.

 

Evotexas, sorry man, I REALLY like both companies, alot, but if you really expect me to believe that you pulled 50 more WHP with the same mods, same gas, on the same dyno with a greater margin of safety than DynoFlash with just a different vendors flash, I have to call your thread what it is... BS. I think you are just making it abundantly clear that for whatever reason you don't like Al and maybe you should just say that instead of posting some BS thread like that. I think any GOOD tuner will tell you that they aren't going to make that kind of increase safely over another tuner, a few WHP, yeah I could see that but 50? Sorry man.

 

Yea what up with that EVOTEXAS.

It might be ok to bend the truth a little, But completely folding it to benift you or another party, is down right bull honky. We just don't do stuff like that round here!

 

This is true for some flashes, but not all. For example, some vendors have a base map that works well (I'd put WORKS P2 and Vishnu XFlash in this category), while others require you to reflash with every single addition (Dynoflash I think fits this). Not saying one is better than the other - I'm not touching that plate. There's just different methods which is great, more alternatives for us folk!

I got my Works P2 flash stock. I've since added full exhaust - first catback, then got the downpipe and HF cat later. I did not need to send in my ECU for an update flash after each peice. The base flash I got has worked well and impressed me on the road and on the dyno numbers.

I think the best advise was given earlier. If you want 400+ whp, then you'll need to be thinking EM and NOT A FLASH. You'll need a Utec, AEM EMS, Xede, etc.

 

Hey newbie, before you get your panties all in a wad, let me explain something to you. I have many witnesses that are users of this forum. Let me name a few:

Monkey
Instigator
jason@ntec
asasin79
astroevo
evo8ra
bryans2k
olevo
novtec1
karash
zilla killer
woosh
and more.

Here are some links to some of the threads regarding Al and some with me.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=dynoflash
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=dynoflash
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=dynoflash
AND MORE available. Just do a search.

People should really research what they are getting into. You are not the first person to love Al, and I am not the first person to hate him. He is the ONLY tuner here that has consistently been challenged, berated, questioned, etc. Don't you think there is a reason? Please don't open a can of worms you don't want to get into. Al and I have ceased our arguments and I do not want to start them up again. Don't get involved buddy.

 

See above. Nice post by the way. However, I beg you to find one instance where I have lied or bent the truth. Good luck.

 

So much for not turning this into a pissing match.

Mods lock it down! J/K

 

You don't think you could get more performance from your current setup if you had the ECU reflashed specifically for your current mods? I'm sure if you have added a complete turbo back exhaust they could probably fatten it up a bit and maybe throw some more timing to it.

I know when I sent mine to Shiv I had to give him a list of my mods to tune the ECU correctly for them. When I get my downpipe and hi-flow cat it will go back and then maybe I'll add the exede if I still feel like adding parts.

 

First, I like Al, and I like Mark and I really like Shiv, I think they all do fantastic work. Secondly, I am not your buddy, don't make that mistake again. Third, being a newbie to this forum sure as heck doesn't make me a newbie to automobiles (don't make assumptions). BTW - if you don't want someone to respond to your post, don't post them on a pulic forum or maybe you should start your own little 'I hate DynoFlash' forum so I wouldn't stumble on your bash Al posts, you obviously havent put anything behind you, you are still whining, and yes I read a lot on Al, and Shiv and Mark (the good and the bad) before I went with tuning and here is a little gem of wisdom for you; they all have negative posts...