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The Turbo itself , not supporting mods. I think the original poster is asking strictly turbo .
which with that being said , Port everything , polish everthing, and/or coat everything. plus include a bigger hotside if you have the 9.8T . also like the guy above me you can add the Ti/alum turbine wheel but that is $$$ I beleive.
which with that being said , Port everything , polish everthing, and/or coat everything. plus include a bigger hotside if you have the 9.8T . also like the guy above me you can add the Ti/alum turbine wheel but that is $$$ I beleive.
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I have the TME turbo from FP. Awesome turbo, better spool, good price, looks stock
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Get a 6.5 TME turbo for 1 grand. will have much quicker spool up and more boost up top.
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Can anyone that has done this swap on a VIII actually verify if the spoolup is better?Originally Posted by mrmefodman
Get a 6.5 TME turbo for 1 grand. will have much quicker spool up and more boost up top.
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Wouldn't the 21G be a better choice over the TME? Around the same price..
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yeah and I like how you use the word "noobs" so freely and then suggest going to Open Element, and intercooler pipes as better alternative , LMFAO.
Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
So what turbo can you purchase for $300? 10.5T from Forced Performace is 295.00 , and considering your saying Upgrade the fuel AND buy a better turbo , I dont think 295.00 dollars stretches that faryeah and I like how you use the word "noobs" so freely and then suggest going to Open Element, and intercooler pipes as better alternative , LMFAO.
aaaaw did i offend you because it pertains to you?
Personally i'd buy supporting mods for fuel, rather than buy the 10.5 hotside. Then i'd save up and buy a GT series turbo, for the evo's the GT35 seems popular with you guys. Reason being, the old school dsm guys thought a evo 3 16g would be the bomb diggity, but realized that it was crap vs. a bigger ball bearing turbo. If you wannna talk how much more efficient, I can post efficiency maps, but i'm sure most of you don't know/dont bother to look at some. Most dsm guys just sold their evo 3 16g for a bigger GT series turbo. You guys will say, naw, it's 1500-2000 more or whatever for a bigger turbo, but it won't seem that much a year from now. I fell for that and have one, and barey run 12's/low 13's on 18psi 91 octane gas. I thought it was a great time for a street car, but you always want more.
BTW, I'd perfer a stock ported exhaust manifold over any tubular / weled manifold any day of the week. It may make a LITTLE more gains now, but it'll crack sooner or later, wasting your 300-700 bux.
I've seen it happen too may times to go that route. But it's your money
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What if you have supporting mods. Like I have, is the 10.5T still a waste? I plan to go bigger then stock in the 400-450 WHP 93 pump gas range. Would it just be best to save my pennies for my turbo upgrade?
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/sidenote I wouln't waste my money on a "10.5" hotside, why not just upgrade fuel and buy a better turbo? You'll get way more performance for the money wasted. /end sidenote
Intake side: all IC pipes bigger, a free flowing open element filter
Exhaust side: o2 housing, exhaust
I wouldn't up the boost w/o proper engine management and wideband. Most noobs blow up/screw up their engine this way, even though the fuel maps comes a bit rich from the factory.
If you want more power (after you've done the above), get supporting fuel (fuel pump/fuel pressure reg/injectors) and a wideband then up the boost with proper tuning.
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because you don't know everything about spool... and also... turbo kits are expensive. Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
10.5 hotside... haha, it's a catchy "cool" term that some idiot made up to call the exhaust side of the turbo to confuse people, or help noobs understand the hot new thing to buy. Yeah you can get that. But I suggest getting rid of all restrictions that might limit the flow of your turbo. It's usually from the intake side, and the exhaust side. /sidenote I wouln't waste my money on a "10.5" hotside, why not just upgrade fuel and buy a better turbo? You'll get way more performance for the money wasted. /end sidenote
Intake side: all IC pipes bigger, a free flowing open element filter
Exhaust side: o2 housing, exhaust
I wouldn't up the boost w/o proper engine management and wideband. Most noobs blow up/screw up their engine this way, even though the fuel maps comes a bit rich from the factory.
If you want more power (after you've done the above), get supporting fuel (fuel pump/fuel pressure reg/injectors) and a wideband then up the boost with proper tuning.
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most restrictions aren't on the intake side.... there's nothing wrong with the intake side even stock. there are improvements that can be made... but exhaust side always nets you more power. the hot thing about the 10.5 is that it allows you to safely tune more hp... releives backpressure while retaining amazing spool up capatilities. it won't make the most hp... but it will spool the fastest, find another turbo that spools faster please.
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the only thing different about hte tme is that it has ti internals... if you combine that with the fact that it is a 10.5 hotside then what the guy said above is just a summation of those two qualities. faster spool... lil better up top.Originally Posted by pyrovice
Can anyone that has done this swap on a VIII actually verify if the spoolup is better?
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Send the stocker to Buschur to mod and get the 10.5. Supporting mods are necessary before you upgrade the turbo.
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Personally i'd buy supporting mods for fuel, rather than buy the 10.5 hotside. Then i'd save up and buy a GT series turbo, for the evo's the GT35 seems popular with you guys. Reason being, the old school dsm guys thought a evo 3 16g would be the bomb diggity, but realized that it was crap vs. a bigger ball bearing turbo. If you wannna talk how much more efficient, I can post efficiency maps, but i'm sure most of you don't know/dont bother to look at some. Most dsm guys just sold their evo 3 16g for a bigger GT series turbo. You guys will say, naw, it's 1500-2000 more or whatever for a bigger turbo, but it won't seem that much a year from now. I fell for that and have one, and barey run 12's/low 13's on 18psi 91 octane gas. I thought it was a great time for a street car, but you always want more.
BTW, I'd perfer a stock ported exhaust manifold over any tubular / weled manifold any day of the week. It may make a LITTLE more gains now, but it'll crack sooner or later, wasting your 300-700 bux.
I've seen it happen too may times to go that route. But it's your money
Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
aaaaw did i offend you because it pertains to you?Personally i'd buy supporting mods for fuel, rather than buy the 10.5 hotside. Then i'd save up and buy a GT series turbo, for the evo's the GT35 seems popular with you guys. Reason being, the old school dsm guys thought a evo 3 16g would be the bomb diggity, but realized that it was crap vs. a bigger ball bearing turbo. If you wannna talk how much more efficient, I can post efficiency maps, but i'm sure most of you don't know/dont bother to look at some. Most dsm guys just sold their evo 3 16g for a bigger GT series turbo. You guys will say, naw, it's 1500-2000 more or whatever for a bigger turbo, but it won't seem that much a year from now. I fell for that and have one, and barey run 12's/low 13's on 18psi 91 octane gas. I thought it was a great time for a street car, but you always want more.
BTW, I'd perfer a stock ported exhaust manifold over any tubular / weled manifold any day of the week. It may make a LITTLE more gains now, but it'll crack sooner or later, wasting your 300-700 bux.
I've seen it happen too may times to go that route. But it's your money
Yes. you did actually. that and the fact that you sound like a **** ant.
I'm the same way. Hence why my exhaust mani is at buschur and the 02 housing and turbine housing will be headed there this week hopefully .
oh , and you've gotten this completely off topic. the original poster wanted to know how to improve STOCK turbo , he didnt start the thread "mr96gsx408 come inside and post a bunch of nonsense" now did he?
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I'm the same way. Hence why my exhaust mani is at buschur and the 02 housing and turbine housing will be headed there this week hopefully .
oh , and you've gotten this completely off topic. the original poster wanted to know how to improve STOCK turbo , he didnt start the thread "mr96gsx408 come inside and post a bunch of nonsense" now did he?
i'm just stating what tons of users at the experienced dsm community have experienced, and just helping out a fellow evo member. I predict the "10.5 hotside stock 05+ exhaust housings" will be on sale like hotcakes in 2-3 years once the evo guys become more experienced and realize that modification is not enough, and vendors will laugh their asses off because they ripped you guys off.Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
Yes. you did actually. that and the fact that you sound like a **** ant.I'm the same way. Hence why my exhaust mani is at buschur and the 02 housing and turbine housing will be headed there this week hopefully .
oh , and you've gotten this completely off topic. the original poster wanted to know how to improve STOCK turbo , he didnt start the thread "mr96gsx408 come inside and post a bunch of nonsense" now did he?
listen to kilterman, he knows a lot about how to spend your money. Afterall, this IS evolutionm, where everyone is a expert about evos and subarus because they originally owned modified hondas.
P.s. of all things, you don't spool faster with the 10.5 if it's bigger. You actually spool a little bit slower, probably wont be very noticable. However, you do get to maintain more boost up top from stock. But 300 for that isn't my cup of beans.
My buddy downgraded his exhaust side on his mkiv single turbo supra for that reason. He wanted more response on low/midrange.
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Or you could pick this one up,already has TI internals and 10.5 hot side
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=140797
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=140797
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listen to kilterman, he knows a lot about how to spend your money. Afterall, this IS evolutionm, where everyone is a expert about evos and subarus because they originally owned modified hondas.
P.s. of all things, you don't spool faster with the 10.5 if it's bigger. You actually spool a little bit slower, probably wont be very noticable. However, you do get to maintain more boost up top from stock. But 300 for that isn't my cup of beans.
My buddy downgraded his exhaust side on his mkiv single turbo supra for that reason. He wanted more response on low/midrange.
Dude why are you saying that the EVO owners will look back and regret upgrading to the 10.5T hotside. First off all the EVO is a TOTAL different animal than all the DSM's you owned. I have owned a 1G and still own a 2G and the EVO8. And the EVO8 is FAR superior in everey way to the 1G & 2G Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
i'm just stating what tons of users at the experienced dsm community have experienced, and just helping out a fellow evo member. I predict the "10.5 hotside stock 05+ exhaust housings" will be on sale like hotcakes in 2-3 years once the evo guys become more experienced and realize that modification is not enough, and vendors will laugh their asses off because they ripped you guys off.listen to kilterman, he knows a lot about how to spend your money. Afterall, this IS evolutionm, where everyone is a expert about evos and subarus because they originally owned modified hondas.
P.s. of all things, you don't spool faster with the 10.5 if it's bigger. You actually spool a little bit slower, probably wont be very noticable. However, you do get to maintain more boost up top from stock. But 300 for that isn't my cup of beans.
My buddy downgraded his exhaust side on his mkiv single turbo supra for that reason. He wanted more response on low/midrange.
. The 16G on our car is Better than a 20G from an older dsm. Heck even Mr. Buschur has TESTED this for days on the dyno. The stock turbo has gone 10.9 already by the famous Curt Brown.Also i am making 400whp/431torque on the stock turbo
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listen to kilterman, he knows a lot about how to spend your money. Afterall, this IS evolutionm, where everyone is a expert about evos and subarus because they originally owned modified hondas.
P.s. of all things, you don't spool faster with the 10.5 if it's bigger. You actually spool a little bit slower, probably wont be very noticable. However, you do get to maintain more boost up top from stock. But 300 for that isn't my cup of beans.
My buddy downgraded his exhaust side on his mkiv single turbo supra for that reason. He wanted more response on low/midrange.
Yah Im sure every Vendor here will just laugh their asses off Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
i'm just stating what tons of users at the experienced dsm community have experienced, and just helping out a fellow evo member. I predict the "10.5 hotside stock 05+ exhaust housings" will be on sale like hotcakes in 2-3 years once the evo guys become more experienced and realize that modification is not enough, and vendors will laugh their asses off because they ripped you guys off.listen to kilterman, he knows a lot about how to spend your money. Afterall, this IS evolutionm, where everyone is a expert about evos and subarus because they originally owned modified hondas.
P.s. of all things, you don't spool faster with the 10.5 if it's bigger. You actually spool a little bit slower, probably wont be very noticable. However, you do get to maintain more boost up top from stock. But 300 for that isn't my cup of beans.
My buddy downgraded his exhaust side on his mkiv single turbo supra for that reason. He wanted more response on low/midrange.
, your right this is EVOlutionm.net not "I used to own a GSX DSM but know I know everything there is to know about a new platform that isnt even made in america and the only resemblance it has to my old car is the motor code" go back to your DSM forums and brag about your EVO.
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, your right this is EVOlutionm.net not "I used to own a GSX DSM but know I know everything there is to know about a new platform that isnt even made in america and the only resemblance it has to my old car is the motor code" go back to your DSM forums and brag about your EVO.
i rest my case with your ignorance Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
Yah Im sure every Vendor here will just laugh their asses off , your right this is EVOlutionm.net not "I used to own a GSX DSM but know I know everything there is to know about a new platform that isnt even made in america and the only resemblance it has to my old car is the motor code" go back to your DSM forums and brag about your EVO.
oh, and i'll part this thread with this:
i'm getting a evo 9, and it has all that stuff stock, ha ha ha. Your car will be inferior because my bigger turbo+mivec will rape your 10.5 hotside. that part i DO know