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Old Jun 28, 2005, 02:34 PM
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Hey Shiv,
just wondering what you are doing to deal with o2 sensor preheat wait time?
i remember reading in the innovative forums that since they are using the
more reasonably priced o2 sensor, one of the trade-offs was that it doesn't heat
up instantly and needs a little preheat time before starting(10-20secs. iirc).

is there any trigger that maybe could light a dash mounted led while it getting
up to temp? kind of like the old diesel motors.
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
The SMART fuel table have been calibrated for use with a 0-5v linear output from the Innovative LC-1 wideband controller (output #2). If you want to use another type of wideband, the entire fuel table will have to be recalibrated. At this point, it's not something that I'd like to do. For support purposes, it only makes sense to make sure everyone is running the same unit. For those who already have the LC-1 and wish to purchase the other SMART components, let us know when you place an order so we can adjust the price accordingly.

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I guess i don't understand how there would be a difference. they both use the same bosche O2 sensor don't they?
Old Jun 28, 2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EV0lut10n_8
I guess i don't understand how there would be a difference. they both use the same bosche O2 sensor don't they?
i think innovative converts the signal to something that their code understands.
shiv is using this output for the SMART adjustments, not just the o2 output.
another brand wideband is going to convert to their own specs and how knows
without a bit of work what those specs are. not likely the same exact signal though.
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Originally Posted by crusin_lancer
I'm not sure if this has been answered or not, but what if the wideband sensor did go out while running SMART? Would SMART compensate for the lost of the wideband? Would the SMART fuel table be automatically turned off and the the xede would run off of the basemap fuel table? I'm sure you guys have thought of this already I'm just curious. This is going to be revolutionary.
Ah... good question. Fortunately, we have an answer If the sensor were to stop working for whatever reason (loss of power, for instance), the XEDE would recognize the failure voltage and disable SMART fuel contol. FWIW, the LC-1 comes with a little LED which lights up when everything is working as it should. If anything where to happen, it would flash a troublecode. Simple as that

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Originally Posted by smack_evo
Hey Shiv,
just wondering what you are doing to deal with o2 sensor preheat wait time?
i remember reading in the innovative forums that since they are using the
more reasonably priced o2 sensor, one of the trade-offs was that it doesn't heat
up instantly and needs a little preheat time before starting(10-20secs. iirc).

is there any trigger that maybe could light a dash mounted led while it getting
up to temp? kind of like the old diesel motors.
There is no preheat time before starting, AFAIK. But the sensor, itself, wont start reading until it is up to temp which takes 20-30 seconds on a cold car. Maybe 10 seconds on a car that is already warm. There is a little LED indicator light which you can mount within eye's view that blinks during warm-up so you will always know what is going on.

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Old Jun 28, 2005, 02:57 PM
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yay more blinking lights!

Also a question....will we need/get some sort of A/F gauge with this setup? Or is it not really neccesary?

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Shiv I sent you a PM.....I need to figure out my setup before I see you on socal dyno day......couple of questions need to be answered
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When is the socal dyno day and where is it at? I will be moving to LA this weekend and would like to start getting to know people in the area.

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Originally Posted by chickenbrest
When is the socal dyno day and where is it at? I will be moving to LA this weekend and would like to start getting to know people in the area.

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It's on the 15, 16 and 17 at Tuning Technologies. For more info, check out:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...hreadid=142071

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Shiv,

Did you see my original post regarding the possibility of coming to your shop for the SMART system and a tune?

I am moving to LA which according to mapquest is about 5 hours plus from you but it will be well worth the drive if we can arrange it.

thanks,
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Ah... good question. Fortunately, we have an answer If the sensor were to stop working for whatever reason (loss of power, for instance), the XEDE would recognize the failure voltage and disable SMART fuel contol. FWIW, the LC-1 comes with a little LED which lights up when everything is working as it should. If anything where to happen, it would flash a troublecode. Simple as that

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so... then it would run off the basemap fuel table correct? Will all the other SMART tables still be operational and running if this did occur?
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Originally Posted by crusin_lancer
so... then it would run off the basemap fuel table correct? Will all the other SMART tables still be operational and running if this did occur?
That is correct. And yep, the other SMART tables will be active since they don't rely on a wideband AFR input.

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Shiv, will this be available before the Socal dyno day? I will be down at Laguna Seca from the 7th-10th. I wouldn't mind stopping by your shop on Monday the 11th for an upgrade and some training . Thanks.


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