Just posting this up to see what people are using. Both seem to be awesome ignition setups, with buschur being a little more visually appealing. for people looking to make 500 whp or less which do you prefer??? Anyone have any information as to why they like or the other???

Buschur lowered his price to 470$ and the Hks Dli2 Twin power is 480$-500$ so they are similar in price. what do you guys like???

Coil on plug:




HkS DLI2 Twin power

 

o yea and i wanted to say the Buschur coil on plug seems to be a cleaner install. let me know what u guys think

 

I'm always partial to HKS products just because they really do make the best stuff. All I hear are good things about buschur too, but I personally have no experience with them. I'm anxious to hear what the big differences are in these two products.

 

Damn,

That is a tough one. The coil on plug has more future expandibility allowing you to wire in the MSD DIS2.

 

I thought the Buschur set-up was just the top plate with coils and wire loom, I think you still have to use an ignition box along with it. Someone correct me if Im wrong.

Personally I would go with the COP set-up.

 

No, he offeers one setup without the MSD DIS2 and the other with, so the one without is comparable to the HKS DLI2.

 

I'd like to answer

Our COP that you showed a picture of, by itself, will not out power the DLI2. The DLI2 has proven itself to over 600 whp and worked well.

Our COP as shown in the picture is a "stand alone" COP with no extra ignition amplifier or box. With the addition of the and MSD box or possibly some other things we are working on now the power output will be outrageous. Our COP with an MSD box is what I have run to put my tube chassis car in the 7's, our Conquest into the 8's and what John Shepherd is currently using to go 8.5's at 177 mph in an AWD DSM, exactly the same thing.

I would say our COP igntion by itself will supply good strong spark only up to about 425-450 whp, beyond that it needs something piggybacked with it. We are looking into some lower priced easier to wire solutions now and should have some answers next week, this is comparing it to putting an MSD box with it.

Thanks,

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

^yeah plz keep us updated...
because I wouldnt mind going the cop ignition.
i think i've reached the point where ignition may start to be an issue

 

If you get a CDi box, you can run cheap coils and get away with it. I see no reason to spend money on an expensive COP ignition setup AND a CDi box. Either buy good inductive coils, or use a CDi box to run your 'average' coils. A CDi box is what will take 'average' coils and turn them into stellar ones....since it aplifies voltage and stores the energy in the cap, you the coils don't have to sink (and charge) as much current themselves in their windings..which is why you can use almost any 'dumb' coils with a CDi box and have great results. Unfortunately, with EVOs the ignitor is built in to the coils, or you could run a CDi box directly on them. But any other dumb coils (including 1G ignitor) should work just fine even at 600whp with a CDi box (tested).

Dave, have you guys tried std 1g coils, and a CDi box?

 

It seems to me, The HKS DLI can't get past the problem of the stock Evo coils built in transistor. It may play with dwell times or eavn slightly raise the power to the transistors, but you can't put too much power to the transistors or they'll burn up (I've heard of at least one guy that fried his trasistors with a HKS unit).
I'd have to say, (with my limited understanding of the HKS), that it can't match the ability to incraese primary side voltage or have multi-spark discharge (in the lower 3K rpms), like a stand-alone, or even wiring in a 1G or 2G transistor and using GM/MSD Coils with a good set of wires.

 

Of course, all this ignition isn't neccessary unless you are running high boost, or alot of alcohol/H2o, etc..

 

what about running the HKS twin power and buschurs COP??? is that a possibility???

 

you can but in that case, you will use the DLI1 not the 2.

 

I was actually pondering using your COP setup with the DLI-II as the ignition amplifier.. since they would basically plug and play to eachother.. The reason I chose the DLI-II from you over the COP was exactly the reason you stated, it was just the COP setup and had no benefit of a CDI box, so I decided to start with the DLI-II and later figure out a way to use the COP with it. Had you tried that with your setup? The DLI-II was way smaller than any other CDI box out there which was actually my primary reason for choosing it.

And the wiring and setup is just as neat/clean if you have plug and play harnesses and take the time to tuck them away, as long as you can plug things into the stock harnesses, both installs take under an hour (The DLI-II takes about 15 minutes)

 

The transistor is used as a switching source, and the voltage to the positive side of the coil is boosted.. The triggering is now a stable squarewave pattern at the same voltage, which means it won't burn out the transistor. Also, the CDI feature means it can recharge and retrigger the coils at low RPM.. The problems with burning out transistors is typically if the signal is held high for a long period of time and not the boosted voltage (DLI-II at least, the DLI-I did have this problem)