Buschurs "view" on cam gears
Jul 21, 2005, 07:43 PM
#1
Buschurs "view" on cam gears
Well, as I'm planning the engine modding stages for my EVO I was debating whether or not to get camgears when I upgrade my cams.
Anyhow I want the best overall powerband possible and saw a post by topspeed that setting the gears at 0.0 gives the best all around powerband.
Buschur's reasoning is that all his race cars are set at 0,0 as well.
For me I'm thinking of skipping the cam gears as well mainly cuz I'm cheap and dont wanna shell out the dough for cam gears....
whether i got with 272/272 or 280/280 set at 0,0 on my stock 05 Turbo
will my car still run fine?
On the stock 05 Turbo, will the 280's at 0,0 make more power than the 272's at 0'0?
Will I need to upgrade the valvetrain if i'm revving to 8-8500 RPM?s
please discuss and comment
Anyhow I want the best overall powerband possible and saw a post by topspeed that setting the gears at 0.0 gives the best all around powerband.
Buschur's reasoning is that all his race cars are set at 0,0 as well.
For me I'm thinking of skipping the cam gears as well mainly cuz I'm cheap and dont wanna shell out the dough for cam gears....
whether i got with 272/272 or 280/280 set at 0,0 on my stock 05 Turbo
will my car still run fine?
On the stock 05 Turbo, will the 280's at 0,0 make more power than the 272's at 0'0?
Will I need to upgrade the valvetrain if i'm revving to 8-8500 RPM?s
please discuss and comment
Jul 22, 2005, 03:25 AM
#2
Originally Posted by Blue Evo 8
Well, as I'm planning the engine modding stages for my EVO I was debating whether or not to get camgears when I upgrade my cams.
Anyhow I want the best overall powerband possible and saw a post by topspeed that setting the gears at 0.0 gives the best all around powerband.
Buschur's reasoning is that all his race cars are set at 0,0 as well.
For me I'm thinking of skipping the cam gears as well mainly cuz I'm cheap and dont wanna shell out the dough for cam gears....
whether i got with 272/272 or 280/280 set at 0,0 on my stock 05 Turbo
will my car still run fine?
On the stock 05 Turbo, will the 280's at 0,0 make more power than the 272's at 0'0?
Will I need to upgrade the valvetrain if i'm revving to 8-8500 RPM?s
please discuss and comment
Anyhow I want the best overall powerband possible and saw a post by topspeed that setting the gears at 0.0 gives the best all around powerband.
Buschur's reasoning is that all his race cars are set at 0,0 as well.
For me I'm thinking of skipping the cam gears as well mainly cuz I'm cheap and dont wanna shell out the dough for cam gears....
whether i got with 272/272 or 280/280 set at 0,0 on my stock 05 Turbo
will my car still run fine?
On the stock 05 Turbo, will the 280's at 0,0 make more power than the 272's at 0'0?
Will I need to upgrade the valvetrain if i'm revving to 8-8500 RPM?s
please discuss and comment
BTW, I've seen a stock ECU car running 280s at 0/0. The idle was like a Harley but it didn't stall.
Jul 22, 2005, 05:14 AM
#3
I have better idle quality with the 272 HKS cams than anyone I know stand alone or not without cam gears. I don't even remember what I set them at, it was one of the recomended settings on that huge thread about cam gears that was up here a year ago.... and I used red lock-tight on the bolts to avoid the problems Dave Buschur was concerned with. I wouldn't do it for power production, but on a street car with big cams it makes a big difference in idle quality.
Keith
Keith
Jul 22, 2005, 05:56 AM
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Hey, I'm another "cam gear hater"... I always hate installing them, and I always tell the customer that I'll do it "against my better judgement"... I've yet to see proof that cam gears ever won a race (I have seen them stop one though), and 272s idle just fine if you use the better flashes out there. I've not had any personal experience with the 280s yet.
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Jul 22, 2005, 06:59 AM
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If you look on the buschur website, they say with the Buschur flash, that the RPM rev limit is moved up to 8500 RPM. I wonder if that is a standard rev limit on all the buschur flashes. If so, that is higher than most people say is safe.
Brian
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Jul 22, 2005, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by PHILLY EVO
Has anyone blown a motoer over cam gears yet......
I nearly blew the motor in my 95 Integra GSR when my cam gear bolts came loose. I was a newb then and thought they were tightened properly from the factory.
Jul 22, 2005, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TURBODAWG
If you look on the buschur website, they say with the Buschur flash, that the RPM rev limit is moved up to 8500 RPM. I wonder if that is a standard rev limit on all the buschur flashes. If so, that is higher than most people say is safe.
Brian
Brian
and afaik when you buy cam gears the 0,0 setting is still retarded compared to stock because of the dowel hole placement.
Jul 22, 2005, 08:10 AM
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I have 264 i 272 e cams and no cam gears.
Idle is very good, and I just got my car inspected here in MA. However, they did not do a sniffer or anything, just commented that my exhaust (with silencer) was 'borderline', hehe.
If I failed emissions, I was going to re-install stock cat and cat-back, then try again. If I still failed, I was going to try cam gears, but so far hasn't been an issue.
When a guy built my N/A Integra GSR, the cam gears slipped 2x, resulting in bent valves that he had to fix. If I can get away without cam gears, I will do so. However, i have seen posts claiming improvements in idle quality and powerband with cam gears, but I'm happy with stock cam gears for now.
Take care,
FB
Idle is very good, and I just got my car inspected here in MA. However, they did not do a sniffer or anything, just commented that my exhaust (with silencer) was 'borderline', hehe.
If I failed emissions, I was going to re-install stock cat and cat-back, then try again. If I still failed, I was going to try cam gears, but so far hasn't been an issue.
When a guy built my N/A Integra GSR, the cam gears slipped 2x, resulting in bent valves that he had to fix. If I can get away without cam gears, I will do so. However, i have seen posts claiming improvements in idle quality and powerband with cam gears, but I'm happy with stock cam gears for now.
Take care,
FB
Jul 22, 2005, 08:14 AM
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I have some very scary pictures to show soon possibly.. lets just say im taking the cam gears off right away. They are a horror story waiting to happen.