Well at least this appears to need more than a 12 step program to figure out!
I have the alkycontrol unit (like AMS), and I read that people are having problems with the kits. If anyone blew up their engines, are having trouble with the kits, does anyone know why?
how many users actually have it on a dyno before the street tune? how many people have the AEM UEGO guage to tell you what the AFR's are doing? here is what I found, and Andrew at Dyno4mance found. (hopefully he will post what he thinks is the issue, so we can all learn from this). with the alky kit plugged in, but turned OFF, I run super lean, when I stomp on the gas, the AFR's are 17+ for 5-10 seconds. this should be enough to blow up the engine. It "feels" normal when driving, but since I can see "real-time" what the AFR's are doing, I know I am moments away from grenading the engine. Do you out there have a guage to know this? probably not until you blow it up, so its NOT the kit itself, its where it is wired in. (my opinion only) can someone with a computer knowldge go attach my thread: Help! I am leaning out under acceleration" and post my findings, or start of the post, over here so I wont have to re-type my findings! I would appreciate it!

Lets figure this out!!!!

 

Tuning for alcohol is not an easy thing. There is a whole theory behind it. (Taking a percentage of fuel out and compensating it with alcohol). It is worth your money to pay somebody to tune it who know how to tune for alcohol. If you're in Indy, it would be worth your time to drive down to AMS and have Martin tune your car. He tuned mine and it runs unbelievable! A street tune is only like $125 or something. Trust me, you won't be disappointed!

 

running that lean will definately make the car feel like it's hesitating. Somehow i think those afr figures are off. Where was the 02 measured? Do you have an exhaust leak? Is your xede tuned for alcohol? I bet it is tuned for alcohol and you just left the alcohol off, running insanely lean.

 

I originally took it to Dyno4mance for a 93 octane and an Alky tune. We got the 93 map done (Xede), and had a problem with the alky kit, which was determined it was with the "install" and nothing with the kit itself. Andrew went above the call of duty to re-wire the car, and I later found out I turned the knob up too high, as it is a "progressive" knob, whereas the more you turn it up, the more volts/alky gets pumped in.

The car was running "fine", when I would turn the alky knob "on", and to the 10:00 position, and accelerated, the red light (squirting) would come on at 7 psi of boost. and continue till I got off the gas, and the boost would fall below 7psi. I never got to dyno it with the methanol, as we couldnt sort out the electronics. where I have the wire spliced in, MUST be pulling voltage from that wire (not sure where it goes, as I didn't install it) and causing the lean condition.
The kit is working/spraying when it is supposed to, but leaning the hell out of the motor in the process! with the kit turned OFF, it was still pulling voltage and causing the lean condition. I UNPLUGGED the alky pump and disconnected the MAP sensor, and the Lean condition went totally away!! no more problem. The problem is there when the alky kit is plugged in, let alone with it working. I didn't glance up to see if the lean condition was also there with the pump pumping. will check later.
the AFR's were flat-lined even at idle with the kit OFF but still plugged in, and the AFR's were at 14ish at idle and the Kit DISCONNECTED. If someone can post pictures of where the wires are connected, and to what, I can re-check for the 10th time to see if it is connected in the proper place, but all who saw it says it is. Thanks for the heads up on AMS and the tuning, they are a great place/great people, but my loyalty has to remain at Dyno4mance, they are great there also, but you cant go to AMS and get offered a "spot-of-tea".

I am just wondering what every other problem with the alky kits are (if they really exist), and if it is the same problem I am having.

 

well there have been a string of bad boxes floating around. Maybe you have one of them?

 

Thanks alot wideband, I will definetly check into that! hopefully my string of bad luck will come to an end with this "issue".

 

no, those "bad boxes" were the SMC kits.

I don't know if your problem is with the alky kit, or the UEGO guage. With the kit "ON" maybe it just makes the wideband sensor go nuts because of freaky voltage things.

I don't have your kind of alky kit, so i can't help you too much Kevin....all i can say is that thing has been screwing with you for a while now. I wish i was closer to try and help you diagnose the problem.

 

Hey Jeff,
I just got a pm from someone who might have all the answers I have been looking for. Will keep you posted, and I will be returning to Dyno4mance end of September for dyno session number 2! I might have to wear an Amish beard as a disquise, or Andrew might see me comming up to the door, and lock it! jk.
I will definetly look you up when I come down, we can talk cars, and the wives can sit and bittch about us and our cars!

 

HA, no $hit.

End of september eh....the weekend of the 17th im helping grandparents move.....the weekend before that one would be awesome.