Don't forget that other cams have the cam timing set at ZERO. Meaning in order to take full advantage of them you need to buy cam gears, adding to the cost!

The WORKS 269 Cams are indexed with proper cam timing built in... no need for cam gears.

Also for P2 Flashed cars, the reflash for the cams is free!

 

Proper depends on the application, and to imply that one specific cam timing 'fits all' is like saying that one particular shoe is best for all occasions.

 

1) untrue, peopel use 272s on stock turbo cars all the time.

2) turbos such as the 3037 can use 272s very efficiently, and even more so with a staged cylinder head upgrade.

3) bigger cams mean rough idle only if you're not tuned with a stand alone, and otherwise the idle on the 272s is entirely acceptable otherwise you shouldn't own an evo.

answer to your question and more) you should never run staggered for idling reasons, cuz staggered for "better idle" is for people that should not own evos. if you have a gt35 you should not be a whiner about your cams or idle.

in my opinion, there should be no car running anything smaller than 272. why? because the benefits are there, aLL there.

there is no downside to 272s. idle is not a downside. torque is not a downside. why run 264? cuz you want smooth idle? dial out some overlap or sell yer car.

cuz you want more torque? wrong... get 272s and do cam timing, but don't do cam timing liek a jackass for peak power so your torque peak coincides with your boost peak making a really high hp number. do it so you get a long long long torque curve that doesn't fall off (yes it's possible... you won't make umpteenbillion hp but you will have a lotta torque you can use).

in every application bigger cams mean bigger power (buschur has shown this), there is no reason to skimp yerself. just do the necessary things to get you where you wanna be with cam and engine tuning.

 

Idle is also dependant on injectors as well.

 

I'd be interested to know what that car drives like on the street. Is the power band like 4500 to 7500

 

you can still make 1000cc injectors idle like stock with an aem.

 

Your an idiot, the stock setup is staggered you ****tard.

 

There's a get together in Lancaster ( an hour north of Los Angeles ) this coming Saturday, Nov. 5th. I'll be there if you want a ride.

http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...&topic=13741.0

I get full boost around 4600~4700 rpms til redline which is 7700~7800 rpms

 

dude... yer face is a tard... the stock setup is a starggered because that's what works best stock. if you're tryinna make power and tune there's no reason to stagger.

 

lol...great comeback junior. Ive seen no discernable differences between anyones dynos with different cam profiles. Your statment that people with staggered setups shouldnt own evos is laughable. Your proof? Ive seen you proved wrong by many people on the board previously with your 'hunches.' David Buschur himself actually comes to mind a few times as being one of them. Point is shut-up if you dont know what your talking about, there is enough misconstrued info floating around on this board as it is.

 

so do you know of any discernable difference in cam lope with staggered setups? cuz all the people that i know that had staggered eventually went and got straight up setups...

and there will always be a power difference, simply because more overlap will make you more power within the ranges that cams are made.

if bushcur has proved me wrong.. .that's fine, but he hasn't proved me wrong about cams... in fact he prolly agrees with longer duration means more power.

 

What does idle quality have to do with a staggered setup? Im not the one who made an erroneous, unfounded statement. You are and im still waiting for the proof to back it up. In my personal experience, same day, same dyno, same mods I made 3 whp/tq more than my friend. Myself having 272/264 setup, him having straight 272's. Still waiting...

 

ok junior, maybe i got spell it out for you cuz you can call someone a tard and then call them junior when an equally lame comeback is thrown. why do people even get staggered setup cams? they get it because of idle quality cuz they don't want the "hard" lump of the 272s or *gasp* the 280s.

in the interest of disseminating truth:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...highlight=cams

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...l+economy+cams


and the all hailed ams's own tech article on cams

http://www.automotosports.com/magazine_articles2.asp

i actually prolly should posted these in reverse order but there's references inside the first two to the last two.

also... your claim is coming with a lotta facts... just that yours is this and his is that... what brand cams? what tune? what mods similar or dissimilar... and when were the cars made? cuz that ALL plays into it, all evos aren't created equal. you wanna prove a point? do it on the same car... until then.... you can keep your **** swinging contest between your and your friend cuz that doesn't prove anything except that your ego is bigger than his now.

 

Yeap!

Someone however should try a HKS 280 intake / GSC 272 exhaust - now that would be interesting - Evodave, would you try this?

 

What comeback? All I asked was proof to back up your statement, which im still waiting for. Also, dont assume that people go with staggered setups because of the idle quality, thats just one factor. If that was the case, why would I or anyone else go with a bigger intake cam? Fact is, I went with it because the engine comes from the factory with one. Whether the car is stock or not, the engine still operates the same so dont tell me because I have a TBE or intake that im not realizing its full potential.

As for my friends and my car, if it wasnt an credible comparisson I wouldnt have mentioned it. We both have a TBE, mine at the time had a 2" resonated TP, same intake, same year, same manufacteur's cams, about the same compression-his 5psi higher, same miles, and same tuner-Turbo Trix.