IDK, I would immagine most of the Gains are from the EMS. I see nothing major over a TME turbo, a gain for certain, but not that much

 

It is easy to see where someone might be mistaken in that manner... esp. when most are looking at the "numbers", but not seeing them. I'd not call 40-50 hp at 7000rpm "not that much". That is pretty much the norm on a properly tuned WR on an AEM EMS or Power FC. I don't think the timing and fuel curves care what name manage them... as long as they are managed properly.

 

yup.....i gots me whun and its shure is funn...

 

I am not looking at One PEAK zeus, I have seen many some of my buddies with these cars and tuned by 2 separate tuners and 2 separate dynos, nothing gained and one lost some power in fact.


It may be tuning but it's not that one little peak number, I am looking at all the curves and the trap speeds run, which are nothing a stock 16G can do.


I blame the exhaust housing being to restrictive to flow anything significant up top.

 

This guy also added an AEM EMS, that's HUGE compaird to a flash, any tuner would agree. I really see no advantage over a TME and that is the track and 2 separate tuners. Even all has a thread where the WR has no major gains on the track, where it counts.


I saw one run I did like, he had Meth and a good curve, but nothing untoucable by a TME.

 

I'm not busting your ***** here... just your statement. You will not see a TME curve carry out to the right side like a WR... after all, the TME still carries the same dimension wheels/housings as the later USDM turbos, moving the same CFM.

BTW... I have a friend/customer who "only" made 300something whp with his Greddy T67 turbo kit/Power FC on Texas 93 octane. The same tuner was not far behind it with a WR/Power FC. I don't think those results are any more conclusive than your three.

Point is, you've not seen too many people impress you with the results of stock based turbos... sorry you've not had the pleasure. However, like most serious mods that change the dynamics of a system, there is a lot more to optimizing a stock based turbo than bolting it on, and running 20 lbs of boost.

I have the unit, so I have a little better frame of prolonged reference in this subject. It always seems to be this way. Someone knows someone who's mother's sister's husband's cousin has one. So they have "seen it", and wasn't impressed with their "one ride", and a dyno graph.

 

...and I don't think anyone is going to get manOfaith to bolt his stock turbo back on and pay for a retune to please the audience.

 

hey guys sorry to bash your reading but w/r and the aem was a waste of money this is my boys dyno with c16 race gas stock turbo with a 10.5 hotside ported 280 cams also a afc ecu reflash and a few bolt ons the regular ones just take a look at the pic u can see what he got. i even took a pic of the turbo and of the car on the dyno for the non beleavers.

it seems as the dyno readings at that good looking its

459 hp
400 torque

 

oh yea it was a 100+ deg. in the dyno room if it was cooler it would have been much higher

 

that could be a Wr or a tme from that view... My car with the same mods +WR would make more power than your "bros" car guranteed.

 

I would immagine that a WR could make more WHP then a stocker TME, but man we are splitting hairs, I don't care how efficient it is the hot side simply cannot move enough exhaust gas, that is where all this tapering off comes from.

I BET if someone ported the HELL out of the hotside, removed the Internal gate and made it external, it would be pretty good, then again you may as well go with a 3071 then, I see it as splitting hairs, but from my experience and even watching a dyned loss from a 10.5 to a WR (10.5) , I am skeptical with this modded Stock turbos.


Just get a 50 Trim, $600 and get a manifold fabricated, I believe Precision Dyno Tuning has them for $350, WALA, blow the doors off the white rabbit by 100WHP, get 23PSI by 3800RPMS, why not observe your options?

 

Where was his car dyno?? Any 1/4 times?

Thanks.

 

I think this is him

Jose Rivera/BoostedJoe (Aerocompracing) EVO VIII- 11.6@117MPH

 

just for the record i did not have a flash but a custom tuned utec...plus the 04 turbo which i not a TME. thanx

PlEASE, don't let this thread get off-topic. I have seen too many threads start out great and informative, and go south in a hurry!

 

this is it thats him

and thats a stock turbo you dont have to beleave it we all know the fastest stock turbo does 10 seconds its all in the tuneing. like i said w/r is a waste of money and its not a tme either where trying to brake records here.