The World of Outlaws 410's can hit that number. They are designed to run 8000 consistently but can hit ridiculous RPMs. I'm not saying they run around the track like IRL cars. I will edit my post to reflect that is not the normal operating RPM.

 

Link to F1 engines, I remember reading the about air valves somewhere, I think there was more detail in last years website than what is out there currently

http://www.formula1.com/insight/tech...fo/11/467.html

I went to F1 in 2003 and 2004 (I used to live in Indy). I am glad I didn't go last year with the Michelin debacle, but I'm hoping 2006 will be different. I already have my tickets pre-ordered.

19,800 RPM is incredible! I love the standing start as well, I try to get tickets close in to the starting point. When the whole line up is standing at max RPM and flag drops its one of the most teeth rattling/exhilierating experiences anyone can have!

I enjoyed the change to no launch control in 2004, made the start that much more dramatic!

 

Thanks for doing that Ryan. Reason I was asking is because I know a professional sprintcar racer as well as engine builders and 11,000 is far out. Most often they operate at 9 and below though some teams are on absolute kill at 10.

It isn't so much plain RPM, but the servicelife@RPM. A stock production engine can run at a very high RPM for a very limited amount of time before destroying itself.

Cheers

 

ferrea & eibach valve springs.

 

He consults for BMW currently, and he worked directly under Paul Rosche on the 1.5L 1500 BHP F1 engine program in the 80's. BTW, I never mentioned anything about valve springs in F1. Thanks for the tip in the differences between OE, aftermarket and F1. Valvetrain dynamics are valvetrain dyamics, the vehicle is irrelevant and this post has gone way off topic. I was simply stating that we know what we are doing.

 

http://www.research-racing.de/bmwturbo.htm http://www.research-racing.de/bmwturbo.htm

 

BMW OE yes?

That's nice. Very different from what you previously said ... "consults for BMW OE and the F1 team"

I do not believe that any employee of any company that near purely sells to the import enthusiasts, consults [present tense] for an F1 team, much less one of the big players.

To say you know what you are doing is very different from saying you have an employee consulting for F1.

Yes the thread has gone off topic and for that I apologize to everyone. I just hate to see F1 being tossed around so casually, no reverence for it. Yes I'm crazy like that. As best one can - recognize the peak, worship the peak, learn from the peak. The last time I heard casual F1 reference was also by someone else claiming to have worked in 80's turbo era, at the same time advocating 8-9 bar fuel pressures in BMW OE fuel systems, 9:1 AFRs, and high turbo-coverted power on completely stock NA components of E46 generation. Makes you think doesn't it.

 

Was hardly throwing it around casually! Yes, he still works with the F1 team. Tell me what is different? If our engineer is regarded and sought out by BMW OE and F1, I believe that it is a qualification of sorts, that you indeed know what you are doing. After all, it is the peak right? By the way simly working for and being an integral part of an engineering team. BTW he was one of the co-authors of 4stHead software. His name is Hans Hermann. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you. How long have you been involved in professional racing?

 

http://www.profblairandassociates.com/GPB_TheTeam.html

 

I am aware who Gordon Blair and Hans Hermann are. They are legends in the upper echelons of the racing world - which is why I am quite sure they have better things to be doing than be working for a cam company that serves the lowly (relative to F1 and the likes) import enthusiast market.

Last I knew, Hans Hermann helping Eibach out with their race valvespring designs. That's what he does.. people consult him.

Is Hans Hermann a full time employee of Revolver Cams? Yes or no? It was implied that he is. "OUR engineer..."
Or is your company merely consulting with him and paying him for his advice or design work?

Please just explicitly answer the questions and I will go away.

 

Does it matter??? Either way we(the enthusiests) get a great product. I could care less if he works for them full time or consults for them, either way his expertise is imbedded in their product.

 

For the person who reads and is led to believe that the company is a high level R&D cam developer, with an employee consulting for F1, it is not fair.

I could run my own R&D at my facility and come up with some great engines, or I could pay a consultant to do all the R&D for me and then tell me what parts to slap together and sell the engines. You are right in that both engines will be great, but the difference is in when situations crop up that require quick adaptation based on in depth understanding of engine dynamics (say the class you compete in makes a change in the rules). Now instead of referring directly to me and me telling you what you have to do (direct link), you have to come to me, and then I have to go to my consultant, and the information gets passed down along the same chain. The more links you add to the chain, the higher the risk of miscommunication.

I'm not saying Revolver Cams doesn't know anything, but just that there are differences between actually having super employees of the company, and going to a super consultant (through however many links). There may not be a lot of dynamicism in a camshaft that has already been ground, but if a fairly advanced customer called up tech support and trusted he was talking to F1 calibre guys when in fact he wasn't, then it is bad for him.

Besides all this, it is just a matter of being totally clear.

I have no personal problem with mttam or revolver cams. Just working off the situation and logic of it.

Consulting with Hans Hermann would be overkill for this market, IMO. It would cost a lot of money. Personally I am not even sure that Revolver Cams really has consulted with him. There are other multiple form, multiple championship winning cam designers (Lowe, D.Elgin (not Elgin)] who are available for much less. I get the feeling that the name F1 and Hans Hermann has been used merely to project an image of great professionalism. This last paragraph is entirely my feeling, and I may be completely wrong.

I will wait for the replies, and I will act based on that to find the truth.

 

What about the Jun springs and Ti retainers?? Does Jun make a dual setup??

 

Shaun,

I understand what you are trying to do... but the delivery landed me a

Email (rookie).

Like I said, I see your point... but your method stinks. Why don't you take the argument to PMs where it belongs. I think we've all heard the "...arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics..." clip, and it's not like your point has not been driven into the dirt. We all have our rants...

 

A public stretching of the truth, or a public lie, requires public exposure and sorting out.
A private stretching of the truth, or a private lie, requires only private sorting out.

I generally don't take private things and make them public, neither do I make a public thing private.

FWIW, there was recently a tuner on a British Evo forum that claimed much experience in the GT racing world. A couple of emails to his former employer later, it was discovered that he had been lying about quite a few things that he listed. All I'm saying is these things happen and that we should keep our eyes open and ask questions where in doubt. Asking questions is not wrong. I have made no solid judgement of mttam or revolver cams and have stated that I MAY be totally wrong about this. But for now I'm asking questions in order to clarify things.

The emailer and you both appear angry with me and I wish that wasn't so. Take it easy and have a good evening.

Peace