Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

Are aftermarket IC pipe kits worth it??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:24 PM
  #1  
dbdude's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
From: Denton Texas
Are aftermarket IC pipe kits worth it??

Im interested in buying an aftermarket intercooler pipe kit because when i WOT, the lower ic pipe always blows apart. Maybe its because of the cheaper worm clamp. Besides the better looks, Are they worth the money? Do they really elminate more air leaks. Maybe all i need are those T clamps. I have enough to buy the LPI kit, Helix kit, or the injen kit. But i dont see the flange where the pipe connects to the turbo on any of their pics. Weird.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:36 PM
  #2  
dbdude's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
From: Denton Texas
bump.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:37 PM
  #3  
Warrtalon's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,790
Likes: 2
From: Long Island, NY
Originally Posted by dbdude
Im interested in buying an aftermarket intercooler pipe kit because when i WOT, the lower ic pipe always blows apart. Maybe its because of the cheaper worm clamp. Besides the better looks, Are they worth the money? Do they really elminate more air leaks. Maybe all i need are those T clamps. I have enough to buy the LPI kit, Helix kit, or the injen kit. But i dont see the flange where the pipe connects to the turbo on any of their pics. Weird.
Well, there's a lower intercooler pipe (LICP) and upper intercooler pipe (UICP). The one you are referring to is the LICP, right? You said the lower ic pipe is blowing off, and you referred to the turbo, so that's a separate piece. I am not speaking with authority here, but usually the IC pipe kits are the upper pipes. LICPs are usually sold separately. This doesn't mean some vendors don't sell complete upper and lower kits, but you generally buy the LICP as a separate piece.

This brings me to my next point - the UICP is not worth the money, because it provides no real gain on the stock turbo. The LICP _is_ a good mod, because it provides HP gains and improves spool time. Contrary to what you said, though, the LICP does not "eliminate more air leaks" nor does it have "better looks", since it's not visible. The air leaks are just because of the clamps, not the pipe itself. You could probably just get T-bolt clamps to fix your leak(s), but an LICP would be a good mod, too.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:41 PM
  #4  
anjapower's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 1
From: Dirty Jersey
Pipe kits are usually upper and lower pipes...

Upper is mostly for looks...1-3whp gains, if that, as the stock upper pipe is very good with no restrictions. Lower piping supposedly gives 7-10whp gains, as the stock piping goes down to 1.5" or so at the turbo outlet. Power aside, improvement in throttle response and spool time seem to be reported by everyone.

Is it worth it? I think there are other mods you should do before hand (TBE, boost controller, reflash, cams). Piping is a mod I would do if you were absolutely trying to max out your stock turbo.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:42 PM
  #5  
mchuang's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,180
Likes: 1
From: h town
intercooler hardpipes are definetly worth it..can you just imagine a rubber hose under 20lbs+ of boost..balloon effect...but you also gain power just by switching from stock plumbing to hardpipes..
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:44 PM
  #6  
anjapower's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 1
From: Dirty Jersey
Originally Posted by mchuang
intercooler hardpipes are definetly worth it..can you just imagine a rubber hose under 20lbs+ of boost..balloon effect...but you also gain power just by switching from stock plumbing to hardpipes..
True but that's not an accurate reason. He could get the Samco hose kit which has nylon couplers that won't expand under boost like the stock couplers...but taking out the bends and restrictions of the stock piping is also important (and accomplished by aftermarket piping).
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:48 PM
  #7  
Warrtalon's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,790
Likes: 2
From: Long Island, NY
Originally Posted by mchuang
intercooler hardpipes are definetly worth it..can you just imagine a rubber hose under 20lbs+ of boost..balloon effect...but you also gain power just by switching from stock plumbing to hardpipes..
This may be true in general, but it is not true with the Evo. This same belief is why so many people have wasted tons of money on mods such as the Injen Intake.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:56 PM
  #8  
mitsuorder's Avatar
EvoM Staff Alumni
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (106)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 2,817
Likes: 6
I say yes to both the upper and lower i/c piping and will hold that opinion to my dying day. If you intend on doing work on your own car or saving your mechanic the pain in the A$$ waste of time that is removing the stock pipes then definitely go with a straight through design for the upper pipe and get yourself a Braille battery or whatever you should choose. The upper will also yield quicker throttle repsonse, I have gone back to stock and then back again to test this. The lower pipe will give you about 10hp depending on how much of the air flow you have freed up on both ends of the engine along with quicker harder spool.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 08:56 PM
  #9  
dbdude's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
From: Denton Texas
Yeah, im pretty much tryin to max out the stock tubo. Anjapower, I already have all those mods you listed. I guess the stock UICP is good enough. The lower one is the one to upgrade.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:00 PM
  #10  
dbdude's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
From: Denton Texas
Wich kit would be best in your opinions. These all cost the same. Injen, helix, or LPI?
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:11 PM
  #11  
anjapower's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 1
From: Dirty Jersey
Originally Posted by dbdude
Wich kit would be best in your opinions. These all cost the same. Injen, helix, or LPI?
From what I've heard, LPI kits don't have spectacular fitment. I'm a bit wary of Helix fitment as I have a Helix Intake and TBE, and they don't fit that greatly either. I would go with Injen between those 3. Or if you have money, go with the AMS or Buschur piping.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:16 PM
  #12  
gonzo's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 952
Likes: 1
From: Maryland
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
This may be true in general, but it is not true with the Evo. This same belief is why so many people have wasted tons of money on mods such as the Injen Intake.

Whats the deal with you and Injen intakes?
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:19 PM
  #13  
Warrtalon's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,790
Likes: 2
From: Long Island, NY
Originally Posted by gonzo
Whats the deal with you and Injen intakes?
I've just seen so many Evos with this as a first mod who couldn't trap 95 in the 1/4-mile. It costs nearly $400 and is not worth it, yet more people buy it than anything else. I was only using the Injen as an example really, though, because it includes the upper ic pipes as opposed to other intakes. Great marketing on their part, I must admit, because many an Evo owner has mistakenly purchased one...
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:32 PM
  #14  
mrmefodman's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
From: porn capital,usa
u can get the lower intercooler piping kit here for only 145$
http://*************************/evo.html
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:55 PM
  #15  
gonzo's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 952
Likes: 1
From: Maryland
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I've just seen so many Evos with this as a first mod who couldn't trap 95 in the 1/4-mile. It costs nearly $400 and is not worth it, yet more people buy it than anything else. I was only using the Injen as an example really, though, because it includes the upper ic pipes as opposed to other intakes. Great marketing on their part, I must admit, because many an Evo owner has mistakenly purchased one...

Ok, sounds more like a driver issue than a product issue. But it seems like your blaming the product instead. Why do you care if someone, in your opinion, "wasted" their money? I say let them waste away. No sweat off my back.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:57 PM.