Are aftermarket IC pipe kits worth it??
Originally Posted by gonzo
Ok, sounds more like a driver issue than a product issue. But it seems like your blaming the product instead. Why do you care if someone, in your opinion, "wasted" their money? I say let them waste away. No sweat off my back.
Repeat after me, ET is the driver
MPH is the cars HP
Originally Posted by NDgsx
Are you serious? He is posting because he actually CARES and wants other people to buy parts that will give them a good return on their dollar, instead of blindly throwing their money around.
Repeat after me, ET is the driver
MPH is the cars HP
Repeat after me, ET is the driver
MPH is the cars HP
I have the BR LIP and it is a very high quality peice. It seems to hang alittle lower than the stock pipe so i had to modify the coupler so that my undertray would not poke down further on one side.
Upper and lower pipes are worth getting depending on the brand
We build a 2.5" lower i/c pipe for the EVO's that goes from the stock turbo outlet to the stock intercooler. 304 grade SS and comes with couplings to hook it up.
Upper i/c pipes. Some of the pipe kits are waste of time. Actually quite a few of them in my opinion.
Our kit re-routes the upper pipe and makes it much shorter than stock with quite a few less bends. The kit requires you install our lightweight battery kit. This takes an additional 20 pounds of weight off the car. Our upper i/c pipe kit also includes your choice of 3 BOV's. If you buy our Stage 2 kit, which is the battery kit, upper i/c pipe kit, choice of BOV and the MAF pipe the pricing is lower than buying it all one piece at a time.
We have dyno'd this set-up on atleast 3 seperate occasions and have gained 12-15 whp each time we have added the Stage 2 kit. This has been WITHOUT any additional tuning.
There are some MAF pipes you can't even get the car to idle with, so be careful what you buy. Our first design had these idle problems that is why we re-designed about 1-1/2 years ago.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

We build a 2.5" lower i/c pipe for the EVO's that goes from the stock turbo outlet to the stock intercooler. 304 grade SS and comes with couplings to hook it up.
Upper i/c pipes. Some of the pipe kits are waste of time. Actually quite a few of them in my opinion.
Our kit re-routes the upper pipe and makes it much shorter than stock with quite a few less bends. The kit requires you install our lightweight battery kit. This takes an additional 20 pounds of weight off the car. Our upper i/c pipe kit also includes your choice of 3 BOV's. If you buy our Stage 2 kit, which is the battery kit, upper i/c pipe kit, choice of BOV and the MAF pipe the pricing is lower than buying it all one piece at a time.
We have dyno'd this set-up on atleast 3 seperate occasions and have gained 12-15 whp each time we have added the Stage 2 kit. This has been WITHOUT any additional tuning.
There are some MAF pipes you can't even get the car to idle with, so be careful what you buy. Our first design had these idle problems that is why we re-designed about 1-1/2 years ago.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Thanks for the compliment on the part! Hell I didn't even know it was THAT good
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I disagree partly with the whole "UIC Pipe is a waste".
I do think its a complete waste of time and money to upgrade to an upper IC pipe that is similar to stock (Injen/Helix type). However, upgrading to a straighter and MUCH shorter UIC Pipe like Buschurs, AMS', or RNRs is a much better idea.
Since I have the BR FMIC(with short-routed lower IC pipe) I have 11 bends and 36" of piping eliminated!!! Think about that in perspective, its a lot, and the upper IC pipe is only $250 (when using stock or JDM MR BOV).
Yes you have to use mini battery kit but Ive had mine for 6-7 months now and its performed flawlessly and the just the extra room I have in my engine bay because of it and the BR Deluxe UIC Pipe... makes it worth it!
One of the biggest complaints I had with my car when I first got it was the ridiculous tightness of everything in the engine bay... it made doing a pressure test a 30-40m affair. Not anymore!
I had the Helix IC pipe kit, fitment was not very good and gains were negligible. Went to the BR setup and havent looked back!
I attached a pic of my engine bay, note its somewhat old and doesnt include the DC manifold
I do think its a complete waste of time and money to upgrade to an upper IC pipe that is similar to stock (Injen/Helix type). However, upgrading to a straighter and MUCH shorter UIC Pipe like Buschurs, AMS', or RNRs is a much better idea.
Since I have the BR FMIC(with short-routed lower IC pipe) I have 11 bends and 36" of piping eliminated!!! Think about that in perspective, its a lot, and the upper IC pipe is only $250 (when using stock or JDM MR BOV).
Yes you have to use mini battery kit but Ive had mine for 6-7 months now and its performed flawlessly and the just the extra room I have in my engine bay because of it and the BR Deluxe UIC Pipe... makes it worth it!
One of the biggest complaints I had with my car when I first got it was the ridiculous tightness of everything in the engine bay... it made doing a pressure test a 30-40m affair. Not anymore!
I had the Helix IC pipe kit, fitment was not very good and gains were negligible. Went to the BR setup and havent looked back!
I attached a pic of my engine bay, note its somewhat old and doesnt include the DC manifold
Last edited by Soon2BEVO; Dec 13, 2005 at 10:43 AM.
The Helix IC pipings are designed to work best with stock turbo. 60mm is a good size for the amount of air that the stock turbo can pump out. With that said, you noticed a much better spool with the IC pipings since there's far less bents. I am not too sure whats the fitment issue you guys are having? We have installed many kits here without a hitch. The only thing thats a tight fit is the upper ic pipe since the USDM battery seems to be a little bit bigger.
Thanks,
Tom
Thanks,
Tom
Originally Posted by Gruppe-S
The Helix IC pipings are designed to work best with stock turbo. 60mm is a good size for the amount of air that the stock turbo can pump out. With that said, you noticed a much better spool with the IC pipings since there's far less bents. I am not too sure whats the fitment issue you guys are having? We have installed many kits here without a hitch. The only thing thats a tight fit is the upper ic pipe since the USDM battery seems to be a little bit bigger.
Thanks,
Tom
Thanks,
Tom
I would also say that upgrading upper intercooler pipes is a tricky deal. If you do it right you can solve two problems.
1. The stock rubber/wrapped hoses ballon. This is not speculation. Under boost they flex and enlarge through the diameter. My hood had a spot that was worn/polished on the under side from the constant rubbing of the hoses expanding.
So any set of hardpipes will fix this problem, give slightly improved spool up.
2. The stock IC pipe routing is long and twisty. If you want to get lots of benefit from pipes than pick some that are routed directly. As said, Buschur, AMS and RNR all have great routing, and make power. The rest of the compaines selling pipes are out for the bling factor. So it's your choice.
1. The stock rubber/wrapped hoses ballon. This is not speculation. Under boost they flex and enlarge through the diameter. My hood had a spot that was worn/polished on the under side from the constant rubbing of the hoses expanding.
So any set of hardpipes will fix this problem, give slightly improved spool up.
2. The stock IC pipe routing is long and twisty. If you want to get lots of benefit from pipes than pick some that are routed directly. As said, Buschur, AMS and RNR all have great routing, and make power. The rest of the compaines selling pipes are out for the bling factor. So it's your choice.
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