stay in school......

 

Hey Smogrunner, your 110% wrong. I was speaking from experience on the subject, not someone trying to flame.

And I guess im one of them wonderful people that have no information. Because I havent spent the last year building my engine, my car, all my custom fabb'd parts. Yes, I took the time, did the research, got all the tools and did it myself. I also managed to swap my car from auto to stick and put an EVO 7 motor in it. But hey, anyone with no info on this wonderful internet can do that. And I wont go to galantvr4.org, because I belong here, much much more then there.

and if anyone wants to call B.S. on me.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...lantJDM005.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...de/1EVO002.jpg

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sorry for going soo off topic but I hate when people try instigating some B.S., when all I was doing was giving my opinion and speaking from experience. To each his own.

 

I don't think the point was to call into question whether or not you know your way around a car. It was going off half-cocked with just a snipet of information and indirectly smearing Smogrunner for his supposed ignorance and TT for supposedly ripping him off. That was the point.

And you're personalizing "having no information" and taking it out of context.

 

This is a bad argument right here. yes, you saved money by doing it yourself. but not everyone wants or needs to DIY. you can't compare your DIY price to someone who paid a reputable shop to do the work, suggesting that he got ripped off.

for all you know, someone could make 100+ dollars an hour at work, so paying a labor rate of 85 dollars an hour... that someone would still come up on top compared to if he were to take the time to DIY.

Time is money, and if you're time isn't worth anything, then go ahead and brag about how much money you saved by DIY.

BFD... <--- This is from someone who does everything himself. DIY is fun and rewarding, but bragging about it and putting others down who made a different choice is tasteless.

 

I totally agree that if you're not comfortable doing it, don't. Personally i would sleep better/ drive my car more confidently knowing that a professional put my engine together. Plus a good shop will stand behind their work. If you f it up yourself, you have no one to turn to or blame but yourself. Then you'll end up paying more than ~$1500 that you would have paid to have the engine built right in the first place. Hindsight is 20/20.

Great quotes... true to life!

 

VTEC Killer,
Actually, I have a great deal of respect for do it yourselfers like you. I was as involved in the rebuild as I could be. That was one of the reasons it took so long. The guys at Tuning Technologies are my friends and they let me proceed at a slow pace, making choices on which way to go, allowing me to change my mind mid-stream, and always inviting me to be present at all the key points of the rebuild.

I garantee you, if you knew all the things they did to get my car rebuilt, you would agree that I got a very good deal on the rebuild. Just to give you an idea of what I got for my money, here are a couple of the things they did that obviously go beyond the typical straight rebuild but were included in the price I mentioned above:
* fabricated a new race pipe to fit the AMS downpipe to the Vishnu midpipe
* sent my ecu out for the rescaling of injectors and increase of the rev limit
* installed new injectors
* installed new fmic
* fabricated and installed new oil catch can
* installed and adjusted triple carbon clutch
* installed new AMS 35R turbo kit
* installed new Energy rear trailing arm bushings
* blah blah blah - ten other things but the pizza just arrived and I'm going to eat

Out.

Not everyone would get such a good price, but like I said, they are my friends...

 

Smoggy, Just ignore him and hopefully he will go away.

BTW, Buschur's $1500 install is a very good deal.

 

DAMN, This price is a steal. I have personally swapped 4 EVO8 motors already and their is alot of worked involved.

 

It is aprox $600 for misc parts and fluids, but that is still one of the best deals out there. Dan Buschur is a top notch mechanic, and only charges what it actually takes him to DO a job, not what the book says it should take to get the job done... and he is very fast

Keith

 

david, if one had a 4g64 crank, forged 4g64 connecting rods and new 4g63 piston- could these be installed without pulling the motor or tranny? and would this make a 2.2 or 2.3? thanks justin

 

see there we go. now I can understand that the money you paid was a good deal, because now I know almost all of what they did, alot of fabrication, installing intercoolers and injectors, etc. Nice that is a good price. I was just skeptical about the first one you posted up didnt have much detail. I guess I just came off wrong last time, yeah, for a basical stroker build like that guy initially asked, $1500 is a good deal and pretty much a standard amongst most shops. and again, im not starting a pissing contest here, I was just upset because someone put a label on me as someone with no info and I guess you were upset because you took what I said last time personally, which it wasnt really intended that way but now that I go back and look at it, yeah it did kinda come off that way. case closed, no more arguements here.

 

Is there a lesser labor cost to just swapping pistons and rods on a good stock motor (no overbore)? Do you do that with the block in the car?

 

Just beating a dead horse now...
* Installed wideband 02 sensor.
* removed part of the stock intake box bracket to clean up the area for new intake.
*cleaned and prepped every connector from my entire wiring harness with di-electric cleaner/lubricant.

 

O.K. here we go...

You cannot install a stroker kit into the block with the block in the car. The block has to be clearanced for the rods.

We do offer just dropping in new pistons and rods with the block in the car and as much as some other shops want to run their mouths (you know who you are) it is actually a very good way of doing the job and of the probably 20 cars we have done this to we have had ZERO problems. Actually some of the best running that have left here. Doing the pistons/rods in the car means the balance shafts stay in the block, the engines are extremely smooth like this. Any engine we pull the balance shafts come out of for the little extra power it produces and to eliminate any bearing problems with the shafts. Doing the engine in the chassis is $750 labor. This is the process:

First thing the cylinder head comes off. The cylinders are then inspected and if they look good we use a bore gauge on them. We also inspect the bearings to make sure nothing odd was going on. If the bores and crank check out to be fine we then re-hone the cylinders and finish the job. The other costs involved with doing it like this would be:

Rods, pistons and bearings, $1105
Timing belt and tensioner, $145
Oil, oil filter and antifreeze, $50
Head gasket, $50.

So basically you can get your engine re-built for $2100 and from that point it will take about anything you can throw at it. This is the cheapest most efficient way to get a "Stage 3" shortblock as long as your engine hasn't already blown up and is still in good shape. The work can be done in 2 days.

If you came here and dropped off your car and wanted one of our Stage 3 stroker engines the bill would look like this:

Stroker engine, $3500
Gasket kit, $300
Timing belt and tensioner, $145
Oil, filter, ani-freeze and gear lube etc., $100
Labor, $1500
Total $5545

Most guys would also get head studs and a Stage 3 head while doing this, that would add another $1760.

If there is something else that can be added easily while we are doing the job we do not charge extra. So if you wanted a new clutch put in we would do that free as it is apart anyway. If you wanted a SIMPLE turbo kit put on that did not require fabricating someone else's mistakes so they fit it would be free. Our turbo kit or 20G would be free to add. We will usually add Stages 1-4 for free while doing an engine too, probably charge a few extra dollars for the fuel pump, exhaust and FMIC install but it would be resonable. There a many freebies when doing a large job as we can't charge someone twice and feel good about doing it.

Hope this helps,

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

^^^ The 4G63 veterans like DB and RRE can do so much work, so fast, that their prices are really amazing due to increased productivity. No doubt that these shops can offer a lot expertise for the money.