What about the AMS race FMIC? Does anyone know how it compares to Nisei and BR in dimensions, fit, performance, etc?

 

Ok.. wastgate duty cycle map. Thanks, it is crystal clear.

I will clean out my previous post to David since the question is answered here. Prevents potential answer repeat.

 

Wow, this thread is finally dieing off I had to actually search for it rather than hit the top topic

I just found a front bumper support. Mine and Jarrod's cars both have the Race FMIC on them and both of them have the fascia off. My car is however missing the mount that bolts to the actual car as I take off all that crap for weight. Jarrods car has that stuff on it, A/C etc. The bumper support, steel beam, crash bar..whatever you want to call it, DOES fit on his car with NO cutting of the support. It has about a 1/2" clearance at each corner which is where it is tighter.

I personally feel the part is 100% useless and does nothing but tacks 15 pounds on the nose of the car. Depending on the height of the object you gently ran into (in an accident) it could possibly save the FMIC. That steel beam is only about 4-5" tall though, so anything under or below it and you'd be screwed anyway.

I'm a weight saving nut though and am not telling anyone to actually take it off, it's your car.

Just wanted to say for sure the steel beam does not need cut.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

To me the only reason to keep it is legal reasons, and liability if you are in a sever front end crash. Those are good enough reasons to keep it if you are running the car as a daily driver though. As far as actual protection it is crap. When I was rear ended in my 03 EVO and pushed into the car in front of me (no visible damage to the car in front) the bumper folded like paper and put a hole in the stock FMIC, and this was from a very minor front end bump. But if I run into someone head on and have severe injuries without that tinfoil bumper in place the insurance company can deny my injury claims.... not worth the risk in my book.

Good to hear that the Buschur Racing Race FMIC fits with no modification of the front bumper.

Keith

 

FWIW, the bumper support is critical to front impact protection. If it were to be removed and the car was involved in even an minor accident, you'd see considerable front end damage. So much, in fact, that an insurance adjuster (upon inspection) is within his rights to deny all or part of the claim. It's just one of those things that require a caveat emptor of sorts. Okay for a race car but might not be acceptable for a regular customer and the compromises that he'd be willing to accept.

my 2c,
shiv

ps. Ha.. Fourdoor beat me to it.

 

This is wrong (at least the first half). There is no violation of thermodynamics here. If you sprayed down the intercooler with, say, a hose and let it sit in a room where the air did not move and where the pressure, humidity, and temperature were all static, then if it kept getting cooler and cooler, then you would have a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. This is not what’s happening on the car though. Out in the real world, when the car is being driven around, there is wind (a lot of it at that…especially at 100+ MPH). That energy needs to be taken into account. There are pressure differences (that energy also needs to be taken into account). And there are temperature differences between point A and B even if they are only a couple hundred feet apart. There are also relative humidity differences. These variables will energize the system and this energy is further used to cool the air coming into the intercooler.

 

only if accident was declared your fault.

 

and if the adjuster knew it was supposed to be there.

 

The crash beam is the item keeping me from getting the IX jdm rear bumper (same principal), unless I can find a shop willing to try and make it fit...

 

Every car has a bumper support of some type. Removing it would be awfully obvious for anyone who is trained at body repair/estimates.

shiv

 

Not EVERY car. The JDM EVO does not have the rear bumper support. Whether it has the front or not I don't know. I don't believe it is an integral part of the car's overall structural integrity. You are right about the insurance risk, though.

EVOlutionary

 

I don't agree about the front inpact at all. I've seen too many wrecked DSM's and EVO's at this point (we are always looking at wrecks to buy) and feel the front impact beam hurts the car more than it does it any good in a light/moderate wreck.

I also don't think the bar would be noticed as missing by the majority of anyone that looked at the car. By the time the adjuster and such usually get around to looking at a car I've scene customer take all kinds of things off a car pulling scams. Not something I'd do but hey......... Something such as that front crash beam if noticed could be blamed on factory install, previous owner of the car or just about anything. I say no way an insurance claim is going to be denied. I've never seen it, heard of it and can't imagine it.

As I said when I typed my OPINION about that beam, it's up to the owner of the car. It was my OPINION same as this is.

Something I've notice about having the beamn in place. That minor accident that bends that beam will also tweak the frame horns in the front, fairly severely. Our black shop car that ran 10.12 @ 141, we bought totalled. Other than the fact that EVO parts are out of this world to replace I don't feel the car would have been totalled had that bumper beam not been in there. The frame rails were damaged pretty bad and was the hardest part of the car to have repaired, my opinion, the body shops opinion was that particular damage occured mostly from the bumper support.

PLEASE leave you front bumper supports on! I'll take mine out, saves me going on a diet

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

David,

I'm not sure how things operate where you are from but, I was under the impression that the "Adjuster" ONLY comes out AFTER the car has been involved in a collision and a claim has been filed. To basically evaluate and APPROVE the damage claims filed against the insurance company.


Interesting scenario... But, I believe in honesty as being the best policy. As well as the safety of my kids and family comes FIRST! (friends also inculded)

Well, personally I'm not as bold as you are and IF I'm going to invest $700 & up on a FMIC. I would definitely want to do my best in protecting that investment. I, unlike you do not have the connections or the resources to build one of your kits... if a replacement was required.

In a minor fender bender, I think I would prefer buying $100 bumper beam support (out of the paper, ebay, whatever, from someone who isn't running one or someone who totaled their ride because they didn't have it. ) rather than destroy my $700 FMIC and losing my investment.

 

[QUOTE] d.buschur ( Our intercoolers ALL work with the stock plumbing if you choose to run it that way.) i ordered a stage 4 kit with race intercooler about 2 1/2 months ago. parts look real nice. was told by nick that i HAD to buy the licp for the race ic and that you (d.b) would have to custom make the licp for an xtra $100 dollars $310 total xtra over the stage 4. then when i talked to you face to face at the evo meet in vegas (SEMA) you said you still have to make the CUSTOM licp? what gives? told you and nick that i didnt want it if i dont need it for i was changing to a 35r. thanks for makin me buy parts i didnt need and then charging me a 100 xtra for CUSTOM WORK. sorry to throw a fit on here but i just about pooped a gasket when i was playing catch up on this thread. DOUG THACKER LEP LAS VEGAS NV.. P.S. DAVE YOU WILL HERE FROM ME THIS WEEK.

 

Again its his personal race car which i dont think he takes the kids to ballet practice, so regardless of connections. if he or anybody feels to need to lighten the car or do any modifcations hey go for it, he was bold enough ur terms to say its his opinion and not to remove the crash beam