View Poll Results: Which do you like?
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Poll: FMIC - Front Mount Intercooler
Yes, buschur's tests done for this community is really priceless. I really appreciate what he is doing for this forum.
Also, It really makes me want to buy his intercoolers and other parts with good trust.
Also, It really makes me want to buy his intercoolers and other parts with good trust.
I made my tough decision to buy the NISEI intercooler today but I would like to personally say thanks to all vendorsfor putting up a heck of a product out there.
As a customer it gets really tough when you have two vendors selling such great products
Both vendors showed great customer service when I spoke with them. I must say thanks to Buschur for doing the incredible business event of lowering their prices to accomodate all the Evo owners to an affordable level.
Rob (Myevostore)has been great responding absolutely all the question and Kevin(Nisei engineer) was also very helpful answering all the questions.
I should get my intercooler sometime next week and I am taking my car to a Dyno. I am not going to modify my boost when I first install my Intercooler and I will document any improvements.
Despite I bought the Nisei today I want to mention that I was 50%/50% splitted
on the decision, I hope I made the right decision.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
My .2c
As a customer it gets really tough when you have two vendors selling such great products
Both vendors showed great customer service when I spoke with them. I must say thanks to Buschur for doing the incredible business event of lowering their prices to accomodate all the Evo owners to an affordable level.
Rob (Myevostore)has been great responding absolutely all the question and Kevin(Nisei engineer) was also very helpful answering all the questions.
I should get my intercooler sometime next week and I am taking my car to a Dyno. I am not going to modify my boost when I first install my Intercooler and I will document any improvements.
Despite I bought the Nisei today I want to mention that I was 50%/50% splitted
on the decision, I hope I made the right decision.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
My .2c
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
I made my tough decision to buy the NISEI intercooler today but I would like to personally say thanks to all vendorsfor putting up a heck of a product out there.
As a customer it gets really tough when you have two vendors selling such great products
Both vendors showed great customer service when I spoke with them. I must say thanks to Buschur for doing the incredible business event of lowering their prices to accomodate all the Evo owners to an affordable level.
Rob (Myevostore)has been great responding absolutely all the question and Kevin(Nisei engineer) was also very helpful answering all the questions.
I should get my intercooler sometime next week and I am taking my car to a Dyno. I am not going to modify my boost when I first install my Intercooler and I will document any improvements.
Despite I bought the Nisei today I want to mention that I was 50%/50% splitted
on the decision, I hope I made the right decision.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
My .2c
As a customer it gets really tough when you have two vendors selling such great products
Both vendors showed great customer service when I spoke with them. I must say thanks to Buschur for doing the incredible business event of lowering their prices to accomodate all the Evo owners to an affordable level.
Rob (Myevostore)has been great responding absolutely all the question and Kevin(Nisei engineer) was also very helpful answering all the questions.
I should get my intercooler sometime next week and I am taking my car to a Dyno. I am not going to modify my boost when I first install my Intercooler and I will document any improvements.
Despite I bought the Nisei today I want to mention that I was 50%/50% splitted
on the decision, I hope I made the right decision.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
My .2c
the ams licp fits the nisei ic?
Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Despite I bought the Nisei today I want to mention that I was 50%/50% splitted on the decision, I hope I made the right decision.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
Getting the Nisei would not affect having to change my AMS LICP so less hassle for me and a decisive point when buying a Intercooler.
I was under the impression that the Nisei had one mounting point and the Buschur had two, so I would have thought that the Buschur would have been the better choice if you were planning to use an unbraced LICP, like the AMS.
Sounds like you've done your homework, so please correct anything I've misstated.
Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
Since the AMS LICP works with the stock intercooler and the stock LICP works with the Buschur Race FMIC, then the AMS should work with the Buschur, no?
I was under the impression that the Nisei had one mounting point and the Buschur had two, so I would have thought that the Buschur would have been the better choice if you were planning to use an unbraced LICP, like the AMS.
Sounds like you've done your homework, so please correct anything I've misstated.
I was under the impression that the Nisei had one mounting point and the Buschur had two, so I would have thought that the Buschur would have been the better choice if you were planning to use an unbraced LICP, like the AMS.
Sounds like you've done your homework, so please correct anything I've misstated.
The stock lower i/c pipe does fit our Deluxe and Race FMIC kits. Our SS lower i/c pipe kit also fits our Deluxe, Race and Nisei FMIC kits. Not sure if AMS's will fit our kit or not but from the sounds of things it should.
David Buschur
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The FMIC does not come with couplings. If you use the stock upper/lower pipes it doesn't as the stock ones are what you use. If you aren't using the stock plumbing you should have connectors for the piping kit you have. Our piping kits are what include the couplings.
BTW, going to be posting some datalogs from the street this weekend. VERY interesting logs from our Race FMIC on a stock turbo's EVO.
David Buschur
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BTW, going to be posting some datalogs from the street this weekend. VERY interesting logs from our Race FMIC on a stock turbo's EVO.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Here is the chart I just mentioned.
Below is a 2005 EVO8, BR Stage 4. The car has our complete Stage 4 kit on it, 780 cc injectors, no cat, 280 cams, race FMIC and the AEM EMS. Nothing else is changed all else is stock.
My brother and I had the car out to check the driveability, boost and AFR's after I took it off the dyno on Friday. It was very warm here on Friday, upper 50's.
I didn't even think about the air temps until the customer picked the car up and him and I were talking about this thread. I then thought to show him the datalog from the street.
As you can see we ran the stock turbo up to 25 psi of boost, 7600 rpm and ran the car from 1st through 4th gear. I log air temps normally when I set up the logging.
This is an interesting comparison for this poll as before I was just using our two small fans that we have on the dyno. I didn't want to get into what I had done in the past and air temps I had seen on the street. Now that I have some new fresh data I figured I'd post it.
The air cleaner is our normal BR filter kit, open element, under the hood. The air temps are the OUTLET temps on the intercooler and the sensor is inside the upper intercooler pipe where we always put them.
Anyway, I was very happy to see virtually no increase in air temps through 4 gears and with the stock turbo putting out 25 psi and some obvious high out let temps.
Enjoy.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Below is a 2005 EVO8, BR Stage 4. The car has our complete Stage 4 kit on it, 780 cc injectors, no cat, 280 cams, race FMIC and the AEM EMS. Nothing else is changed all else is stock.
My brother and I had the car out to check the driveability, boost and AFR's after I took it off the dyno on Friday. It was very warm here on Friday, upper 50's.
I didn't even think about the air temps until the customer picked the car up and him and I were talking about this thread. I then thought to show him the datalog from the street.
As you can see we ran the stock turbo up to 25 psi of boost, 7600 rpm and ran the car from 1st through 4th gear. I log air temps normally when I set up the logging.
This is an interesting comparison for this poll as before I was just using our two small fans that we have on the dyno. I didn't want to get into what I had done in the past and air temps I had seen on the street. Now that I have some new fresh data I figured I'd post it.
The air cleaner is our normal BR filter kit, open element, under the hood. The air temps are the OUTLET temps on the intercooler and the sensor is inside the upper intercooler pipe where we always put them.
Anyway, I was very happy to see virtually no increase in air temps through 4 gears and with the stock turbo putting out 25 psi and some obvious high out let temps.
Enjoy.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
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The datalog is very much appreciated. However, might it be asking too much to have a log from a stock i/c with a similar setup? I wouldn't want to trouble you for a new log, but if you've done something like that in the past, I would really like to see it.
Even if you don't post, I have much respect for vendors who do more than just imagine how much their product should gain. [Not actually talking about anyone in particular, before people start saying nasty things].
Even if you don't post, I have much respect for vendors who do more than just imagine how much their product should gain. [Not actually talking about anyone in particular, before people start saying nasty things].
I don't have an EMS on a stock EVO to try it. If someone wanted to buy an EMS from us before an intercooler upgrade I would probably talk him out of it
BTW, the temps would be rediculously high just from experience in feeling end tanks. I'd bet this particular set up would see outlet temps in the high 170's F.
David Buschur
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BTW, the temps would be rediculously high just from experience in feeling end tanks. I'd bet this particular set up would see outlet temps in the high 170's F.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Too bad this thread has died down. Now that I have some actual street pulls posted I don't get to hear from all the guys that doubted how good it was
David Buschur
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