I hope this thread doesn't cause more bickering, but honestly I would love to finally settle this once and for all and see who is the best tuner of the EVO platform. A neutral location should be selected (preferably a dyno jet for higher numbers and in the middle of the country) and the tuners should go at it. I'm talking about Vishnu, Dyno Flash/Pruven, AMS, Turbo Trix, Precision Dyno, Buschur, Mynes, and etc.

Each tuner would start on a stock IX, two or three baseline pulls to see where each IX is at stock. Then the only allowed mods is a Flash, TBE, MBC, and Intake. The winner will be the tuner that extracts the most whp above their car's baseline. Who do you think would win, I have my favorite. I just would love to see this and in my opinion I believe all the numbers would be within +/- 5whp of each other.

 

the tuners you listed are all able to extract good hp but the question is how safe would the car be as a daily driver? Unless there is a huge amount of money involved to get everyone together I dont see it acutally happen

 

I agree 100%

 

Exactly right.

Doing something like this is honestly silly, no offense.

The guy that makes the most power is the one that puts the car furthest on the edge. Any engine is going to make a maximum hp number depending on the parts on it and the tune in it.

The guy that makes the most is the guy willing to push it the furthest.

I have seen plenty of cars come in here that wanted re-tuned. Customer wants more power than the car is making. I've told many customers that I can re-tune their car but making MORE power than they already have (by viewing the maps) isn't going to happen. There is safe power and there is bonzai power. Bonzai power is the power you see a lot of these shops making that continue to blow up and have engine problems. Safe power is the power you see our shop, AMS, Dynoflash and some others making. The cars go down the track pass after pass, week after week. In this case I am talking about race gas tunes and pushing the edge, just not pushing it too far.

On a pump gas car, like you are talking about tuning, that safe window becomes even smaller. You get a car that doesn't accelerate smoothly or blows up.

On top of this, I haven't tuned any EVO9's yet so you'd have to cut me out. Until they come out with a stand alone for it I won't be doing the tuning on the 9's. Al handles all of my reflashes, so he could represent both of us.

I agree with you on the +/-5whp difference between two great tuners too. It comes down to who actually puts the work into their tunes. I also can tell you that he doesn't have to put the work into YOUR particular car to make it come out perfectly. While I have 100's of hours in my personal car to constantly improve every aspect of the tune I could never do that on a customers car, obviously. What is done with someone like myself or Al is all this time spent on our personal maps or hundreds of other customers maps lets us put together a map that is extremely close in these hundreds of different areas in the map to start with an excellent base map. From there some fine tuning of different tables allows another car to be done in a fairly short time and be right.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

One other point. I think using a Dynojet for higher numbers is a mistake. I believe using some type of load bearing dyno is a much better idea. This gives more of a challenge to the tuner. Also, who cares how high the number is if everyone is tuning on the same dyno?

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

amen

 

dumb......even if they all had to tune to stay within a narrow AFR. Still would never happen anyway.

 

yeah, no..