as you can see i am new to the evo community and i have searched for the last 3 wekks al the info i ca on the evo. so far i have got numbers on how much horsepwer i can make with various parts, and since i am thinking of going into a bigger turbo after going through all 3 stages the amsperformance.com has offered on their website i am trying to get the answer that hopefully you guys with the evo experience can give me......what is the most power the 4g63 can handle? i am thinking of upgrading internals aswell but no stroker kit. also, what is the most power a transmission can handle, i guess torque since that is what breaks transmissions. i will be doing all this with a apex fuel controller and a hks boost gauge since i have found a couple of statements that says the flashing the ecu will go up to 21 psi and i am into going at least 28psi. after a while of piggyback i am looking into aem ems to make sure everything runs smooth

all my tuning will be done by a well known shop in houston, and most of the work will be done by me and the shop aswell. also i am looking to be in the 580-630awhp by the time i am done with the car and keep it as a daily driver. of course it wont be one but i would like the driveability and performance to be of one.

any advice will be gladly appreciated.

thanks
elmer

 

anyone that can help me with these questions.......

 

Sorry, I know you said you searched, but I don't know what you've been reading, because almost all of the info you requested can be found here, and then some of the info you think you found was very wrong. Flashes only up to 21psi? Well, yeah, that's if you rely on the flash to control your boost, which no one does if they want to push 28psi. That's why we use $85 manual boost controllers. You also certainly wouldn't want to rely on the most crude tuning device there is for the Evo (Apexi SAFC) if you're trying to make some good power.

You asked how much power the 4g63 can handle, but then you said you're upgrading internals anyway, so the question is no longer relevant. TO have ~600whp on a daily basis, you will have to have no less than a GT35r running 30psi on no less than alky (if not alky, then race gas 24/7), and you will probably need a standalone EMS.

 

Sorry that nobody has answered your questions, but your opening post is very hard to read, it's like all garbled together.

What is the most power the 4g63 can handle?

If you search around you will see that AMS has two EVOs making 800WHP+ (one of those is actually making over 900WHP). There are plenty of EVOs making really big power, and before that DSMs were and still are making big power. So how much power can the 4G63 handle, much more than your target of 580-630WHP, so

What is the most power a transmission can handle?

Ok do you mean the stock transmission, well I believe if your lucky and you take it easy on your EVO it can last you for a long time and around 400WHP. But this is often not the case, and a clutch upgrade should be on your immediate list of upgrades for the EVO (It already is for me). Major transmission work isn't really needed until you get to really big horsepower and talking around your target numbers and higher. You may be fine though if you really aren't pushing your EVO that much from day to day.

I will be doing all this with a apex fuel controller and a hks boost gauge since i have found a couple of statements that says the flashing the ecu will go up to 21 psi and i am into going at least 28psi. after a while of piggyback i am looking into aem ems to make sure everything runs smooth?

Not sure what you are saying here, but you can go higher than 21PSI with a flash, I don't know where you read that . A flash will be good to start, but if you do have plans for 580-630WHP then a EMS is probably the best route for you. Although there have been recently some high powered EVOs running flashes, but if it were me, I'd go with an EMS and a very experienced tuner when power get's well above 500WHP, which you already plan to do. But you'll be fine with a flash to start and with race fuel or an alky kit running 28PSI is fine.

Ok hope I helped, if anything I said was wrong, then somebody else please chime in.

 

Yeah should have told him to search , I was bored.

 

Last thing as far as how much power can the EVO 4G63 handle. Honestly I don't think this question can be answered as of now. I remember when I first started coming to this site and EVOs in the USA were making like 600WHP, and I was like DAMN! Then a year ago some are pushing 700WHP+ and I was awe struck. Now they are making 800WHP+ and who knows what's in store for the future. 1000WHP+, who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised.

 

well with upgraded internals i want to be in the 600-630 for sure...nothing under 6xxawhp......clutch will be upgraded for sure along with the flywheel......

somewhere i guess i got mixed up with boost levels 21 to 28 psi........sorry about that i found some more info on a dynoflash thread. my mistake. with the dynoflash, what is the best levels of power i can be at?

for now i will be able to be happy with the bpu mods and close to 400awhp with clutch and flywheel........who will be able to work on my transmission? or where can i get a stronger transmission to hold that type of power i want to put out? will the axles handle that power or will they have to be replaced aswell?

 

Shepherd Racing or TRE for the tranny.

400awhp on BPU will be quite a stretch, unless you consider alcohol injection, cams, header, and o2 to be BPU.

 

cams, intake manifold and exhaust manifold upgrades, cam gears, fmic, clutch/flywheel, intake, full exhaust w/ dp and test pipe, 21 psi, dynoflash with manual boost controller and a fuel cut.....maybe 50 shots of nos to make things a little more interesting....but withouot nos i would like to be close to the 400awhp area, nothing less than 370awhp......

 

People are making over 1000AWHP on the same motor already and have been for a while. May not be sitting in an Evo but its the same motor regardless.

 

Sorry, you're still off. That's the wrong mod combination, and there's no way you're going to accomplish those numbers with only 21psi on the stock turbo. We make big power from big boost...we make big boost with high octane.

You're like the 3rd person in the last week to mention doing an intake manifold upgrade on a stock turbo'd car. Where are you guys coming from? Is that what they do in the Honda world or something? It's really baffling, because you won't mess with your intake manifold until much MUCH later in the car's modding life. The fmic and intake won't really help, and I don't know what a "fuel cut" is in terms of mods. I know that we HIT fuel cut with too much boost without a flash, but that goes away with the Dynoflash. Using N2O isn't so smart either. You should probably do some homework before you get started so that you 1) don't blow something up, and 2) don't waste a lot of money only to be disappointed.

If you want NO LESS than 370awhp while wishing for 400awhp, you will need alky injection or race gas...bottom line.

 

I have been thinking of selling my Alchy Injection and swapping it with a wetkit nitrous. I just dont think my block could take a 75 shot on top of the GT35r at 30+ psi... I think something might give. So tempting though.

 

I already told you on houston imports lol, anyways what car is this gonna be? 8 or 9. On the 9 it seems to respond to mods better and you probably can get 350hp to 400hp with all bolt ons and alcohol and reflash. Stock motor is pretty stout, but if you gonna push past 600hp best to build it. What is your actual time frame for jumping from BPU++ to 600hp build. If less than 1 year then you might as well forget the BPU stuff and send tranny and tcase off and get a good clutch to prepare you for the real hp unless the parts you buy can work in your 600hp setup.

 

lol....u homo.......well imma be bpu+4 for about 1 year and a half or so b4 going to big power levels.....i am going to have a clutch upgrade with the bpu mods though. i want to play it safe and not regret it later. this will be more than likely on a evo 9, but there is a chance it can be a evo 8. the clutch will be a Exedy Hyper Single Clutch and i believe this clutch and upgrades will help me with the 600 awhp mods....if not a new clutch will be used BUT the Exedy Hyper Single Clutch will be used during bpu mods, about 1 full year or so.....the engine will be built. titanium valves and retainers will be used but i will get a set of stock springs. from experience with titanium springs, they break for some reason at high rpms........ i will probably go with the AMS Spec Evo 2.0l Stock Replacement Ross Racing Pistons and the Evo Groden Aluminum Rods for internals along with the clevite bearings........i hope i can really hit the power level i want on bpu,400awhp or close to it, nothing under 370 though

 

to those who are probbaly thinking "you dumbass", well i know i probably look like a dumbass but b4 getting into an evo($20K at least) and then adding all the parts and all kinds of ****( another $6k+) and getting my car blown up, id rather take my time and search and look like a dumbass for a few weeks, maybe months, and not look like a dick when my car blows up and most of you guys tell me i told you so..........wiill that clutch be able to hold the 400awhp i would like to hit?