Call out to Buschur for a TD06 20G
yeah dave for sure stage 4 first ... i have all your items already as they transfer from my other car. just curious as to your opinion as to how the evo 9 with the MIVEC could benefit from this set up?
Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
I am going to have to agree with dave it doesn't make sense to make a 2995 turbo kit that uses a dsm 20g turbo. If 20g performance is what you are after then the 20g/9 makes more sense for the money spent.
But for arguement sake and just good info, the 20g turbo kit that turbotrix just built is laying down some extremely impressive numbers for the mods that car has. I believe this turbo is going to outperform a typical 20g/9 turbo hands down. For the mods that car has dave would not even be recommending a 20g/9. Yet that car layed down 381whp at 18psi, and 397whp at 22psi on straight 93 octane. Lets wait and see what it does on higher boost and better fuel.
The turbo they used to do this is a very little used combo because the clipped tdo5/ 20g that dave had success with was 1000 times more popular and considerably cheaper to build. My question to dave would be which tdo6 combo did you test? There are two tdo6 wheels. the tdo6 and tdo6h. And which housing did you put it in? There are three common housings to choose from. 6cm,7cm,and 8cm. It could be that the reason that dave never saw a td06 turbo outperform a tdo5/20g is because he never saw the right combo tried. Both turbotrix and FP both believe the td06h/20g is the 20g of 20gs.
Also of note is there is a "new 20g" wheel that has not yet hit america.
Just recieved a couple of td06h 20gs from japan. The 20g blade has been revised. It now has the same lightweight hub as evo16g turbos. The blade tips are no longer swept either, they are straight (makes it easy to tell which one you have). Smaller hub means more air can pass, and faster response. Good stuff.
The three wheels pictured are garrett 60trim, old 20g (60trim), new 20g, evo 16g. The blades on the new 20g are virtually the same size as a garrett 60trim. The garrett wheel is built like a cadillac with a huge hub. The new 20g is the porsche with the lightweight performance hub.
There is also a pic comparring the tdo5 and tdo6h wheels. huge difference in flow.
http://photobucket.com/albums/f397/l.../?sc=1&multi=3
But for arguement sake and just good info, the 20g turbo kit that turbotrix just built is laying down some extremely impressive numbers for the mods that car has. I believe this turbo is going to outperform a typical 20g/9 turbo hands down. For the mods that car has dave would not even be recommending a 20g/9. Yet that car layed down 381whp at 18psi, and 397whp at 22psi on straight 93 octane. Lets wait and see what it does on higher boost and better fuel.
The turbo they used to do this is a very little used combo because the clipped tdo5/ 20g that dave had success with was 1000 times more popular and considerably cheaper to build. My question to dave would be which tdo6 combo did you test? There are two tdo6 wheels. the tdo6 and tdo6h. And which housing did you put it in? There are three common housings to choose from. 6cm,7cm,and 8cm. It could be that the reason that dave never saw a td06 turbo outperform a tdo5/20g is because he never saw the right combo tried. Both turbotrix and FP both believe the td06h/20g is the 20g of 20gs.
Also of note is there is a "new 20g" wheel that has not yet hit america.
Just recieved a couple of td06h 20gs from japan. The 20g blade has been revised. It now has the same lightweight hub as evo16g turbos. The blade tips are no longer swept either, they are straight (makes it easy to tell which one you have). Smaller hub means more air can pass, and faster response. Good stuff.
The three wheels pictured are garrett 60trim, old 20g (60trim), new 20g, evo 16g. The blades on the new 20g are virtually the same size as a garrett 60trim. The garrett wheel is built like a cadillac with a huge hub. The new 20g is the porsche with the lightweight performance hub.
There is also a pic comparring the tdo5 and tdo6h wheels. huge difference in flow.
http://photobucket.com/albums/f397/l.../?sc=1&multi=3
Originally Posted by TwStDeVo
im the one who just got a buschur kit with the fp3065r. this weekend i will be custom tuned by Al on pump and alky. hoping for good results!
Here are a couple pictures of the kit (not completely put together) before it went on my car:
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
Let me know how you like it after the tune. As soon as mine is tuned David or myself will make a post. I cant wait to get mine out on the road. Just waiting for this lovely Ohio weather to break.
Here are a couple pictures of the kit (not completely put together) before it went on my car:
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Here are a couple pictures of the kit (not completely put together) before it went on my car:
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Originally Posted by WrX Kila
NYCCCCEEEEE!!!!! Will this turbo bolt up to any aftermarket exhaust maifold, fullrace, RNR etc.
The manifold in the picture is the cast one that we manufacture and sell with our Evo turbo kits. The turbo will not bolt upto an aftermarket manifold that has the same flange as stock.
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
I am going to have to agree with dave it doesn't make sense to make a 2995 turbo kit that uses a dsm 20g turbo. If 20g performance is what you are after then the 20g/9 makes more sense for the money spent.
But for arguement sake and just good info, the 20g turbo kit that turbotrix just built is laying down some extremely impressive numbers for the mods that car has. I believe this turbo is going to outperform a typical 20g/9 turbo hands down. For the mods that car has dave would not even be recommending a 20g/9. Yet that car layed down 381whp at 18psi, and 397whp at 22psi on straight 93 octane. Lets wait and see what it does on higher boost and better fuel
But for arguement sake and just good info, the 20g turbo kit that turbotrix just built is laying down some extremely impressive numbers for the mods that car has. I believe this turbo is going to outperform a typical 20g/9 turbo hands down. For the mods that car has dave would not even be recommending a 20g/9. Yet that car layed down 381whp at 18psi, and 397whp at 22psi on straight 93 octane. Lets wait and see what it does on higher boost and better fuel
that seems about right if i ask me. 4psi = about 20 hp, 5 hp per lb. thats right.
Originally Posted by Drifto
What concerns me is why would it make 381whp @ 18psi and only 397 with four more pounds of boost? 4hp/boost is only about a third of what it should be. If this is any indication of power potential on race gas then prepare to be underwhelmed. Maybe there were other reasons why the power doesn't seem to be a high as it should. Maybe the stock intercooler is choking the hell out of it, but that remains to be seen...
How much would it cost to buy just the manifold and an O2 housing?
How about a mani, O2, and WG with a dump pipe re-routed?
The picture of the GT35 kit on Buschur's website looks like there is some adapter between their cast manifold and the turbo, is this adaptor needed when using a turbo with a mitsu hotside?
Lastly... what is the outlet size of the buschur manifold? 7cm, 8cm?
How about a mani, O2, and WG with a dump pipe re-routed?
The picture of the GT35 kit on Buschur's website looks like there is some adapter between their cast manifold and the turbo, is this adaptor needed when using a turbo with a mitsu hotside?
Lastly... what is the outlet size of the buschur manifold? 7cm, 8cm?
That manifold looks a lot like a stock DSM manifold to me. Especially since it bolts right up to FP3065, which is flanged for the DSM manifold, without any adapter like with the GT35R kit. Even the heat shield bolt holes seem to be in the same place.
jeff
jeff
Originally Posted by Nez136
I would also have to agree that spending 3k on a 20g kit is just foolish. Damint Jarrod why did you have to go and post those pictures of your kit? I might have to buy one!
Originally Posted by swordfish
That manifold looks a lot like a stock DSM manifold to me. Especially since it bolts right up to FP3065, which is flanged for the DSM manifold, without any adapter like with the GT35R kit. Even the heat shield bolt holes seem to be in the same place.
jeff
jeff
FYI, the pics that jarrod posted up are red X's for me, the firewall here takes care of that. So unless someone wants to save and reattach directly to evom, I'm not gunna see them.
Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
Let me know how you like it after the tune. As soon as mine is tuned David or myself will make a post. I cant wait to get mine out on the road. Just waiting for this lovely Ohio weather to break.
Here are a couple pictures of the kit (not completely put together) before it went on my car:
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Here are a couple pictures of the kit (not completely put together) before it went on my car:
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
i see you decided to switch the 3076r for this turbo, hopefully it works out well for us. i will definitely let you know how my tune goes. just wanted to say thanks again for everything! if anyone is looking for a turbo kit or any other parts.....BUSCHUR is the way to go!!!!