Does anyone else get the sense that perhaps the EVO 8 was rushed in order to beat the STI here? I want one SO BADLY I'm willing to part with both my cars for one (well the SI sucks anyways). But I just keep reading little things here and there - too much oil in the engines, loose oil filters, air bubbles in the carbon fiber wings, squeaks & rattles, transmission trouble, etc. Granted, none of these are huge issues, and I realize it isn't a Toyota but still...... Makes me wonder since the rest of the world doesn't get the 8 until May or June, did Mitsubishi rush to get them to America? What do you all think?

I drive by a Mitsubishi dealer everyday on my way to work and they've had a silver Evo out there for 2 weeks at MSRP! If it were black, I'd really be pulling my hair out. Waiting sucks.

 

I am very pleased with my car, and so far no problems. My hunch is that any new car will have a few flaws and problems which normally are between the service manager and the customer. The internet brings hundreds of owners together with different driving experiences and perceptions of what is normal and real problems.

Here is an article on the new CL65 V12 612HP Mercedes Benz and the hood does not line up with fender! $100,000 car so go figure.

http://mbspy.bacosys.be/c215cl65amg.htm

I am very happy with the car and find it has exceeded my expectations. While you are waiting, I'm having a ball! na na na na!

Speedlimit.........

 

Sad but most new cars seems to look like its rushed, gone are the "over-engineered" cars.

My local dealer keeps on trying to sell me an EVO8 with all the goodies, under MSRP. It looks like they are having a hard time selling these, they have all the colors except white "in stock". The yellow and black is seating there for a month now.

BTW, is not known for there quality . And is often called the "ford" of japan. Not bashing just stating the facts.

 

as soon as you drive one of these cars youll understand that it was definently not rushed. this is the eighth generation of a car that is king in japan. thinkabout....im a little geeked since i just returned from a low temperture tear in the detroit area on some of the worst roads you can imagine.... evo8=4wd go-kart performance

 

How do you figure that???No problems reported here.... and we have ACD and AYC systems

 

Rushed? We got a different model than the rest of the world. Ours is a more basic model (5 speed, no AYC, ACD), and less cutting edge (bleeding edge?). These changes dont bother me (except I'd like a full front dif so the car would have less understeer).

However, the thing I see as rushed is the ECU, or something related to it. Reports of cars having problems at full throttle and working better at 3/4 throttle are the marks of an underdeveloped car. Car companies test all the time, (hot cold weather, long driving, harsh driving, etc), so I'd think that this would have been solved by more US (and US gas) testing. Luckily, the fix is a easy one, with dealers being able to flash an updated program (I think)

There's an old axium to never buy a new car the first model year to let other people fix the bugs. I think the EVO8 is less of a first year car than the US STi will be, given its untested engine configuration. I want my car spending more time on the ground than in the air, and my research on the 2.5RS, and super or turbocharging it weren't met with lots of success stories. I expect the factory to do a better job, but a PERFECT job? We'll see.

 

Facts... right
This is going to be off topic, so my apologies.

I've posted on this too often already... The perception of 's quality is mainly based on the 7th generation Galant and the 1st and 2nd generation Eclipses built at Normal, IL.
I grant that those models are not great in overall quality, though the engines (4G64 and 4G63) are solid (ask any DSM'er).
The oh so well publicised recall of 2000 is no worse in comparison to recalls by other manufacturers, except that it happened all at once. See below:

http://www.crash-worthiness.com/
http://www.uautono.com/recalls.html

The ratings handed out by J.D. Power are also not reliable, since they are different for the exact same car in different countries J.D. Power reports in. Don't even believe a word Consumer Reports says (small sample sizes generally located in a relatively small geographic area...)
On a global scale, 's quality is right up there with Subaru, Honda, Toyota etc.
Ford of Japan, where did you hear that? Not in Japan, that's for sure. Lived in Tokyo and Saitama, never heard that.
Facts indeed

 

http://www.edmunds.com/news/feature/...4/article.html

 

Hi danc,

That is old news. Every Japanese importer has had a scandel including Subaru and Honda. I can't find the URL for the Subaru one but I'm sure somebody has it. So ensure if your going to post and run that you include similiar references for MMC's competitors, they are all over the web and we do want to be fair.

Edmonds has gone from a well respected auto review mag and shop manual supplier to a high volume sub-par rag. They can't even distinguish between the EVO and the Lancer in there latest review.

Speedlimit.........

 

Great. When you find the link, I'll believe it. But it seems a bit silly for you to ask me to include similar references when you can't even find them!

There's no question in my mind Subaru and Honda have higher quality and better reliability. I'd love to be convinced otherwise by any links you can find. I'll especially be interested to find out if Subaru or Honda engineers ever hid their customer complaints in "a locker in the employee locker room."



That's not to knock the EVO. It's a kick butt car from everything I've heard. But if I'm buying a car to stand the test of time, it will not be a Mitsubishi. It'll be a Honda or a Toyota, or to a lesser extent a Subaru.

 

Subaru did indeed play "hide the complaints". It was included in an article describing the general deception by Japanese companies relative to corporate governance and book-keeping. It was shocking until of course Enron made them all look good. I saw the reference several months ago, but I gave up trying to find it and I guess I don't care

My point is if your not interested in the car, then why post a link to a 3 year old event without comment? quality is descent right now; good enough for me and I don't believe too many people buying a high performance street legal rally car are worried about "standing the test of time" relative to quality. A minivan ..... yes. Hell, many of us have already voided the warranty with mods

Have fun!

Speedlimit.........

 

Speedlimit, I think I found one of the links you were looking for. I know I've seen a different one besides this, but I can't find it right now.

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe/d.../fco24065.html

 

As far as reliability and quality goes, Honda and Toyota (especially) are a step above everyone else. Mitsubishi is not as bad as people seem to think though, and the overall quality of every manufacturer (even Hyundai, Kia, and yes, even Ford) is quite good.

Was the car rushed? Of course. Buy a first year car and you're going to see the little gremlins and bugs floating around. All the testing in the world can't solve that, unfortunately (if it could I'd be making a lot more money!). And the Evo8 is sufficiently different from JDM/Euro Evo7s to be considered a first year car.

 

Rax, thanks for posting that link.
The whole discussion about reliability is predominantely about personal perception, which is often influenced and formed by your parents and public perception(and the media spoonfeeding it to you)...
What makes you think Toyota and Honda are so reliable. Because all the magazines say it? Because the unscientific "research" done by Consumer Reports says so? Because of your personal experience (1 car buyer out of millions...) Think about it.
I would agree that Honda and Toyota produce very good cars. They don't break down much, that's called reliability. Fit and finish, no rattles, stuff doesn't wear out or breaks easily. That's quality. There needs to be a differentiation made here.
's do not break down easily either. The engines, trannies, and most components in their cars are very solid. The most common problems found in 's (according to my experience, please add) are related to brakes and tank assembly and for older models the electric system. Fir and finish is good, but material quality could be better(center armrest in the Lancer for example). But one can gripe on and on. The Nissan Altima's interior is very quality and plasticky, but the car still gets tons of accolades just because it handles great...
For older Hondas and Toyotas the elctric system problems are also there. Neither of the two manufacturers (well, none of 'em) are immune to recalls, quality and reliability issues. See the links in my post above.
Thank you for tuning in to my rant

 

First of all, the car was not rushed at all. It's a the 8th generation of a proven design!! The problems that people experience are normal (to an extent) to any make or model of car. Particularly a high performance sports car Anyway, I too was reluctant to go for the EVO based on the Mitsu reputation, but when I actually saw the car.... Well, you got to see it and sit in it and best of all, you gotta drive it

The car is fantastic so far... Someone else posted about understeer and others posted about the lack of AYC, ACD... to me, this does not mean that the car will be less reliable. On the contrary, it should make it more reliable as there are fewer things to go wrong. The car has very little understeer. It corners as if on rails and it's very fast

I don't want to sound condescending or arrogant, but it seems that most of the doubters and critics of the EVO don't have one . Hey guys, get a grip. This is an EVO forum and board.. It's OK to post and read and opine, but it's a little ridiculous to criticize a car without even driving it!! I've driven a Stage II WRX (just traded it in on the EVO), before then, a supercharged, suspension up-graded, and more Integra GRS... Before them a supercharged Miata type R and a Turbocharged Miata. In between I had a 190E 16valve MB and a 300ZX (normally aspirated).... Guys, the EVO is far and away the best of them all... It has the handling of the R type Miata and the acceleration of the Supercharged GSR... It gets more looks and compliments than any of the other cars and its' stock... Who knows, maybe somebody did rush something... Maybe it could be better... Maybe it wont be as reliable as a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry... But who cares? If I wanted reliabilty and economy, I would have bought an Accord .... Trouble is.... I don't want no stinking Accord ... I want a kick ***, top grade car, and I got one!!

Peace,

Manuel