A flash, alky, and piggyback? What????

$1000 for each 10-15whp? What????

He can gain 60-70 with my $1270 package. NEW2006EVOIX, you are whacked out, man.

 

Did I stutter?

What does your package come with??
last I checked...a FLASH.
In Cali on 91 **** gas (my bad...doesn't apply to him since his area has 93) [edited..lost train of thought, lol] a flash adds 35-45 whp, the TBE is good for 10-15 whp (with high flow cat), which is about $1,000.

He doesn't need a boost gauge since MR has one already and the flash already raises boost, so he doesn't really need MBC. Besides, why risk a leak and have boost spike into 24+psi range?

And an alky kit can be added (with some sort of safety, such as Aquamist DDS3, I'm new to alky stuff) for race gas qualities (which needs a tune with piggyback, maybe Xede?, to take advantage)

Everything else seems to be about $1,000 for additional 10-15 whp.

As for me being whacked...can't we all just get along??

 

Warr...don't get me wrong. I think it's great that you troll these forums to answer people's questions. You are an asset to these websites. I think he's trying to get other opinions. I hope he knows who's opinion is good and who's is worthless. What I reply with is from my experience, including research time.

 

All of this is wrong.

1) Even on 91, you get closer to 30whp from an exhaust. 10-15 from a cat-back maybe. Plus, an exhaust does NOT cost $1000 unless you just like to waste your money. Notice my whole package is $1270 shipped for 60-70whp, yet you thought it would cost $1000 for 10-15whp. You're _WAY_ off.

2) Flashes very rarely give 35-45whp. That's only when combined with a boost increase through the flash. The tuning part itself is more like 30whp on a IX (independent of the boost change).

3) The stock gauge is in bar, which he doesn't know how to read, and it's not in a good location. It also maxes at 21.75psi, which is not high enough.

4) No, you don't need a piggyback to run alky. Where in the world did you get that idea? I have alky and am custom flashed like tons of other Evos.

5) The flash does not allow for changing of boost - just one, set, static boost level. With an MBC, you have full control of boost at all times for all situations. A flash cannot give you enough boost for alky either.

6) Uh, what was that about a leak and running 24psi? HUh? Apparently, you're just not educated on MBCs. There's thousands upon thousands of Evos running MBCs safely. A leak doesn't make you suddenly run dangerous boost levels. Go read up on that to erase your misconception.

7) Name one thing that costs $1000 on a IX to produce 10-15whp.
- Alky is 500 to gain 30whp/50wtq or so
- Header is 8-12whp for less than 200 if you port and coat the stocker
- LICP is 7-10whp for 175-225
- o2 housing is close to 10whp for 100
- Even the TurboTrix cams are $900 for 25-30whp

There is not one mod that costs $1000 for only 10-15whp that I can think of...

 

Stop talking.

 

Sorry, let me spell the whole thing out. Look back at my original post. I suggested a flash as the biggest bang-for-the-buck. And to set the record straight, I NEVER said everything costs $1,000 per 10-15 whp. Please read again carefully.

I like looking at Dyno Dynamics readouts (being conservative). Since I'm close to Vishnu, I look at their dyno sheets. A stock IX with their flash goes from ~235 to ~275 without tuning: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ighlight=tales

Looks like 40 whp to me there without any tuning and yes, this is with boost increase (for less than $1,000, since cost ranges between tuners). Even at $1,000, it's $250 per 10 whp on DD)

As for your responses:

1) Let's breakdown your cost. How much of the $1270 is the flash? How much is the exhaust? I think flash is still biggest bang-for-the-buck. (others are cheap, shipping, MBC, boost gauge). Also, what is the cost to install these (I doubt he wants to do it himself and have the headaches of screwing his car up). As I said above, the flash (at least from Vishnu) does increase boost, so why have a MBC other than to risk overboosting?

2) Look at like above. Your're right (with boost increase).

3) Point taken, lol.

4) This guy is a newbie, so the piggyback provides safety (in case he screws something up so that the piggyback can minimize damages to his engine). Don't want him to come back and said that we caused his blown motor because his juice went dry.

5) Xede will control and I recall has safety setting in case something goes wrong. If you are only using MBC, you will not take advantage for timing and fuel afr curves. On the other hand, if your flash is tuned for alky, then when you are out of the juice, you can not take advantage of pump gas (you have to run much lower boost to offset timing advancement, but as for fuel afr's you're screwed).

6) Maybe I'm wrong, but if something happens to the MBC hoses, the boost leaks out and wastegate doesn't close on time (last I checked on MBC, I was looking at ones that has adjustment in cabin where driver can control on the fly).

7) Don't forget installation costs. If I was the original guy posting, I would NOT install anything, because I see him running into difficulties (I hated installing things myself, because everything takes much longer than I anticipate it to)
From people at Tuning Technologies event:
Headers didn't make any noticable increase (not 10 whp, but this was aftermarket). I had full 2.5" LICP and it didn't make any noticable increase (not 7-10 whp). And the biggest problem is that the guy with Turbo Trix cams and HKS exhaust cam didn't make any more power than IXs with the stock cams (I heard that the recent Turbo Trix batch was bad).

Wow...long post.
For the record, I'm not trying to argue or say anything about your package (you bought it up), but I was tempted to get it myself. But after researching the parts, I decided on a quiet one with support near me where it takes hours to get to instead of day or days.

Sorry for not painting the whole picture, I assumed that people would understand what I was talking about. My bad. I just want to let the original post person know that there are lots of posts in evom, so do your own research and draw your own conclusions. This is only a few opinions (although Warr has lots of good opinions as you'll see in this site).

[edited: I got to go, so I don't plan on replying anymore anytime soon, so readers can believe what they want]

 

You mean stop texting or responding.

I guess you don't want people to chime in and put in their 2 cents. Maybe they should dump their money buying things for certain amounts of money expecting big gains only to be dissappointed. You are doing this guy a great service

 

You gave him a bunch of misleading information which Warrtalon corrected already like saying he doesnt need a boost guage when he does.

The best things you can do to a IX are TBE, tune (flash), then add alcohol. I dont know why yorue talking about piggybacks.

This guy bought 3 worthless things for the car already. FMIC, HKS SS blow off valve and a CIA.

 

Give me a break...

Misleading info?? Why don't you guys learn to read? How was my comments misleading? Go back to school and take reading 101!

Does he really NEED a boost gauge? He's not doing any tuning (at least not anytime soon). As for the best things you can do, that's YOUR opinion. TBE is good, but expect to spend $1,000 for a good one that seals correctly. I would recommend with a high flow cat to protect the environment. I've read of too many problems with TBEs such as leaky seals and rattling noises, so a good TBE with install...expect to spend $1,000 ($300 for dp, $200 for HFC, $500 for cat back). I've always agreed that a flash is a great mod (look back at my previous posts and please read it correctly). I don't know about you, but a piggyback for safety is cheap insurance for your engine. Don't nozzles plug? Don't pumps fail? Does this make any sense to you? I don't know how safety is worthless , but that's your opinion.

And for the record, those stuff he bought aren't worthless. It's just he doesn't need those items yet because his stock units will do as good of a job at his current power level.

Look a Buschur Racing's website. It is included with their stage 3 package...how is FMIC worthless?

As for the BOV, it sounds like he wants the sound of one venting to the atmosphere. He didn't know the side effects of the car running rich everytime it releases (unless he has a recycling unit venting into the turbo intake pipe). Read his post again...for PERSONAL GRATIFICATION.

I, myself, am a believer of CAI. It guarantees me that the engine starts off with cooler air, unlike the open element filters that suck hot air from under the hood. So what ever the dyno numbers are, you can expect that on the street. I (my opinion) believe that sucking in underhood air will lower hp and/or delay power curve because the turbo and intercooler needs to work harder to move the same amount of molecules of oxygen (was going to say same amount of air, but you would probably accuse me of being wrong again ) as the engine compartment becomes saturated with heat.

...wasted too much time defending and clarifying my comments, including things I didn't write...

 

1.)It come with DV.

2.)~270whp on Dynojet,~350whp with bolt on on Dynojet

3.)HKS SSQV=Bad

4.)With tune,yes.Without tune,hard to say.With tune,you should see a 10whp gain.

5.)Don't get FMIC for first mod.Do it with Turbo Upgrade or you want to max out the stock turbo.

0.)TBE(800),Tune(299) and MBC(85) + Boost gauge.Basically,what i list is Warrtalon/Buschur Package include.

 

Again, you have proven you know nothing, NEW2006EVOIX. Since when is a piggyback CHEAP??? That's ridiculous. YOu don't need a freakin piggyback ON TOP OF A FLASH for alky. That's just an insane waste of money.

Yes, the HKS SSQV was worthless.

Yes, the Injen intake was worthless. Both of these make his car run WORSE and are not needed to go fast even in a good mod path.

Yes, FMIC is worthless. He's not at stage 3, so what's your point? Even at stage 3, it's not needed, but it's a good way for a business to make money.

Why do you keep saying $1000 for a TBE? Hell, mine cost me $350 and only costs regular people $550. You're a complete fool if you pay $1000 for an exhaust. $500 for a cat-back? Hilarious.

 

Stop trying to give me a physics lesson already, thats pretty basic.

Ok so he doesnt need a boost guage according to you but he should get a piggyback fuel controller (which you think is cheap? $1000+)? Also he clearly doesnt know how to tune it.

TBE for $1000? Hmm I got mine for $600, you can get them even cheaper and they will fit FINE. The megan, new helix, logic all fit great. $1000 for a turboback is a joke. Leaky seals? What?

Last time I checked, replacing working parts with other working parts is worthless. You spend money for what, fun?

BR Stage 3 includes FMIC, I know this, I have his FMIC, however, hint hint, its STAGE 3, not Stage 1. Buschur's staged upgrades dont go:

HKS BOV
INJEN INTAKE
FMIC UPGRADE

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I said your giving him misleading information. Why? There are guys running low 12s with just Intake/Exhaust and FLASH. (Oh and of course they have a boost guage). Its a proven, safe, reliable way to make power yet youre steering him AWAY from the exhaust, AWAY from a boost guage and reccomending a piggyback.... comeon. Thats misleading.

The only thing the guy needed to hear was, get a TBE, boost gauge, sell that HKS BOV and get a TUNE. He can keep the FMIC but its just money that could be better spent on things he SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT FIRST.

 

DUDE ill say this nicely, everything you offered as first time modifications is all wrong. I've learned alot from evom.net and especially from warrtalon.

You're gonna need a boost gauge to see the psi thus a MBC is needed. The Stock Evo IX goes around to 20.5 psi then tapers to 16( usually there's a spike to 21-22 before tapering to 16). Gettin a MBC will hold the boost steadily around 21 psi or wherever you prefer, thus it will pull strong till redline.

WHAT PIGGYBACK?!?! what are you talkin about?

When was a TBE a $1000 ?!?? a simple megan tbe is $450 and its pretty decent tbe. NO problems with TBE unless ur stupid, all the evo owners who are smart get that as their first mod in combo with the Flash.

Stuff fail, Yes. It is inevitable. But this is a brand new car unless you drive like a maniac and don't know how to take of your car then it will get messed up. But the 4g63 if taken well can last a very long time, some problems will arise later on but not much will fail

A FMIC is only good if your pushin the stock turbo to its limits which include modifications with cams and injectors and etc(Buschur stage 3 is linked to serious upgrades as injectors and cams and etc). BUt stock intercooler is good for around 400 whp.

An intake is only good with a tune. Just a drop in K&N filter is good. If want to run serious power then a intake would be recommended. But the stock airbox is good for around 400whp. Some ppl running a good laod of power still use the stock airbox