T4 Ftw!

 

but by the time you do you may as well pay the extra for a decent set that is guaranteed rather than a cheap set of ebayers that will last 3 mths if that. i n th elong run its cheaper to spend the extra up front and save heaps down the track.
BTW Buscher packages are amongst the cheapest i have seen on the market and great quality. I for one, cannot see how these BR kits are overpriced. Id say BR has probably the best on the market for price /quality etc.

 

What we need is proof. This has been discussed ad nauseum!! Until some real track times come in.....NOT DYNO NUMBERS.....no one knows if a T4 will show any significant gains over a T3.

AMS tested T4/35R's and do they sell them now? No, they said the gains were minimal while the loss in spool was significant.

HPF has been quoted saying this kit will put down 700whp in the right combo which has never been done in a 35R in any housing.

IMO for anyone to start saying that a T4 is significantly better I want to see something higher than 142mph trap in a close to full weight EVO.

Until then T3 kits are proven, good spool, 9 second slips, and 140+ mph traps. T4 kits all we have is a 535whp dyno run on a stock block and a stock SS getting smoked.

I know which one I will pick until proven otherwise!!!

 

was ams running a 3.5" turbo back exhaust when they tried out the t4 housing?

 

buschur 3k kit is a better value for their money then the one your selling

1. Seriously I dont need a custom manifold, the buschur cast T3 manifold flows just fine. Id like to see the longevity of the HPF manifold. Personally I like the stock type look. I dont need to look at something that looks like pasta under my hood.

2. I don't need a custom DP. That alone tells me HPF cant make something work with, well everyone elses DP. Wait a sec HPF offers a 3" DP, so lets say your a diehard HPF fan just as yourself. Now you went and bought their turbo kit and they give you a different DP along with the kit. Still with me? Now you HAVE to use the DP that came with their kit and now you have to go through the hassle of selling your other DP that you had to take off the car in order for the kit to function properly. IDK, sounds like a sales rip-off to me.

3. Custom turbo??? Well if you believe eveything you read then you needed to buy an overpriced kit. Does HPF take all the turbos into the top secret shop and do something to them that we don't know about? If they did they would have to make every port job or whatever makes them so custom identical to each other which would then make them common turbos since there are more than 1, right?

Plus now your going to start whining that HPF offers a 3.5" exhaust, big deal. 35r times (all big name vendors) are proven with just a 3".

EDIT: Almost forgot to mention everything on a BR kit is all v-band instead of bolts stuff up, dropping bolts, racking your knuckles on the fan shroud, missing washers and then saying f-it, blowing out gaskets, etc.

V-band FTW

 

Get your facts straight buschurs is not a t-3 housing its about 1"3/4 round hole opening made by force performance and the hpf uses all v bands. I hit the limit and max power with ever combo i threw at the buschur 35r kit. Like i said before it has great spool up but would run out top end on a stock block. i have both kits and both are great but the hpf does give you a lot more for the money and gives you room to grow for more power. Each part that horsepower freaks uses is top notch in quality.

 

Ill have mine done real soon its a hpf 35r with a 67mm wheel stuck into it. Just waiting for the machine shop to get done with the spin balancing the block then it all gets put together

 

1- You dont need a custom manifold huh? Why even bother with a custom turbo kit if your not going to try and extract every bit of hp from the motor. The cast manifold may be durable but wont outflow the hpf manifold and you will be losing potential HP. Everyone that uses a cast manifold always brings up relialbility but doesnt ams/shearer/peakboost all use custom manifolds? Are you trying to say that HPF's cant engineer a manifold that not only will provide great HP gains but always stand up durability wise? You make it seem like HPF are brand new in this industry and have 0 clue what there doing. They have been producing sick sick parts for supras for a while now. The only other kit I know of that uses a cast manifold besides ATP is slowboy. AHAHAH buschur is in the company of slowboy and ATP.

2- You dont need a custom downpipe???? Dude wtf why even go aftermarket turbo then. Go by a 20g or a atp kit and keep your stock manifold. Your logic is fkn warped on how you keep saying you dont need custom this custom that. HPF stuff all fits together 100% great. If your going to buy a HPF turbo kit which comes with a 3.5" dp why wouldnt you buy their 3.5" catback?? HPF kits are a little more expensive because your paying for quality and engineering. The kits and pieces fit together so so nice.

3- It is a custom turbo. Have you seen the twin turbo ford GT video??? Guess what they are using 2 of the same turbos HPF's sell in their GT35r kit. It is a precision housing. It is a custom turbo. Your gouing with a T4 housing so why wouldnt you combine that with a 3.5" turboback exhaust?

4- HPF uses all vband clamps also..

 

Ifarted2, I look forward to you're resuts. In theory it should put down more power how much and is it worth the 500rpm in spool difference we'll have to wait and see.

Good luck.

 

Thank you
i held off buying a boat and decided to put the money into the evo lol I'm about $18000 into the new build so yes I'm excited and at the same time i hope i don't break to much

 

Buschur Racing FTW..

already ordered..

b here in a week or 2

 

Lol
<33

 

Good choice Pure, Im sure you will have more than enough power to keep you satisfied for quite a while.


Markoran- quit whining that he didn't buy your kit. Put it back up for sale and someone else will eventually grab it. Are you that hard up for money?

 

I can care less that he bought that kit. The dude told me he needs till sat to get the money and never told me he had already ordered the buschur kit. Where I come from thats a dick thing to do.

 

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Wow, if you are not a brutally opinionated guy!! Again, even if you don't want to accept the facts, Buschur kits / AMS kits are proven Buschur 35R's have gone 141mph, 142mph, 139mph, so this fanbois kit has produced times as good as ANY OTHER 35R KIT ON THE MARKET, for considerably less then most 35R kits go for 3K .

Do I see any 9 second 50 trim times? or 140mph traps? No sir I do not. I'll reiterate until a HPF kit runs 9's and traps over 142mph IT IS NO BETTER THAN A BUSCHUR KIT regardless of a 3.5'' downpipe, 44mm wastegate, and T4 housing.

So, who is getting caught up in the fanbois brigade? It sounds like someone got caught up in the spec sheet instead of real world results HPF's kit may prove to be a the 35R kit from the Gods above, but until the community sees the results it's all speculation. I don't spend my money on speculation and slower spool up. I would bet that a 37R/T3 housing will produce better results than a T4/35R, but again that too is speculation until proven.

With that being said I think 3450$ for the HPF kit you are selling is a great price, but paying 4.5K for a new one is not. Good luck with the sale.

As far as 100rpm in spool I would say at least 300rpms closer to 500rpms on higher boost. Almost 100whp difference at 5k.




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