These are the 2 Im thinking about, but the only thing i cant seem to find, is if the HKS max twin is full carbon or a carbon/mettalic mix? If it is mixed, I would rather go with the ATS as I know its not mixed. Does anyone know if the HKS is full carbon or not?

 

Why dont you look it up the hks-usa.com

 

here is the ats
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...11#post3323611

 

I did, but it doesnt say if its full carbon or not. Actualy, it doesnt say if its carbon at all really, but Im almost 99% sure it has carbon in it.
Heres what that site says about it

"The HKS GD Clutch Max is the latest evolution of the HKS multi-plate clutch series. The GD Clutch Max features the same multi-plate design and lightweight flywheel of the GD Clutch Pro, but also features a sprung hub (on most applications) and special engagement springs (patent pending). The sprung hub absorbs engine torque which helps increase the life of the transmission, and aids in decreasing gear noise. The engagement springs are placed between two pressure plates and the center plate. --- They force the clutch plates to engage one at a time. Doing so makes it easier to slip the clutch, improving street drivability and clutch control.

The HKS multi-plate performance clutch kits are vehicle specific Pull-Type racing clutch applications designed for street-car use. The multiple plate design allows increased friction area and direct power transfer, thus offering greater horsepower and torque holding capacity and light clutch pedal pressure for easier clutch pedal management. The use of rivet-less clutch disks allow for better durability, increased friction area and direct torque transfer, while maintaining a friction material that is both wear and heat resistant. Each multi-plate clutch kit comes with a lightweight chrome-moly flywheel optimizes durability and high performance. The use of very durable and lightweight chrome-moly material with a steel tooth ring makes it possible to construct a thinner flywheel without sacrificing integrity. The concept behind a lightweight flywheel stems from the desire to enhance low-rpm throttle response on high RPM horsepower applications. With the lightened flywheel in the HKS Twin and Triple Plate Clutch kits, a quick rise in RPM can be attained from light throttle input for easier RPM matching when downshifting and to counter low torque at low RPM levels. Though the main focus of the HKS multi-plate clutch kits is on ultimate power transfer and engine response, a stable idle and smooth driveability is still maintained. Each HKS Twin and Triple Plate Clutch kit is a complete vehicle specific assembly that allows for a bolt-on installation. Some applications have an available slave cylinder rod that increases travel for enhanced pedal modulation."

the word Carbon is not in that, so, how would I even know if its mix? lol

The ATS I know about 100%, its full carbon and everyone raves about it, but its the same with the HKS, everyone raves about that too. But the ATS replacement disks are a lot, where as the disks for the HKS are cheap to replace. With that said, it makes me wonder if the HKS is not full carbon?

 

Isn't ATS now Carbonetics?

No answer for you on the HKS, sorry.

But either way, Tilton whips them both if this is going to be a serious racecar. Low inertia is where you want to be.

 

Well, if it is Carbonetics, then they dont have very many online , because when i do a search on google, nothing really comes up. But ATS does, are you sure they changed the name? I would love a tilton, but one, I cant seem to find any for sale, and two, the price is insane, for what i can find.

 

TTP sell Tilton for cheap.PM them.

 

cheap? over 3000 is not cheap, lol.

 

just get the ats this will be the last clutch you will ever need to buy. Ill you got to do its rebuild it.

 

This is the same clutch ill be running on my 600+whp build i put the plus becasue i dont really want to post what im going to run but it will be about the limit of what the setup is rated for so i will put it to the test.