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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Evo 8
What do you mean by "brief" street/strip duty??? Will the motor be a ticking time bomb for street driven applications?
All he's saying is that you can run more horsepower on the street. The lower hp number is for road race conditions.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Pics on the first page.. but did you only pick up 16 or less torque going with the 2.3 vs. 2.0?

Also it is title RR for roadracing but you did mention drag also...

What do you recommend for strictly drag not road race at all and the occasional weekend driver? Would the all out drag car still use your fully built 2.0?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 04:31 PM
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I meant to say for bried WOT duty like drag or street then I'd say about a 750-800whp limit. For extened WOT duty like road racing then I'd lower the limit to 650-700whp. Again, I'm being conservative and safe. Part of the reason is that the piston is lighter than our standard 2.0L or 2.3L stuff. 98% won't be making over 800whp so there really shouldn't be any worries.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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2.0 or 2.3 for strictly drag then. Still the 2.0 right?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nesiop
Pics on the first page.. but did you only pick up 16 or less torque going with the 2.3 vs. 2.0?

Also it is title RR for roadracing but you did mention drag also...

What do you recommend for strictly drag not road race at all and the occasional weekend driver? Would the all out drag car still use your fully built 2.0?
Boost was a tad bit different. It hits about .5-1psi lower at peak torque, then equalls out near the mid-range, and then falls about .5psi lower up top (using more of the turbo). I also pulled a decent amount of timing out of it to be safe. Also peak torque is up by 17ft-lbs to be exact. If you look right before the peak or right after, you can see bigger gains, roughly 20-25 ft-lbs. If you look at 4K rpm, it's about a 80 ft-lbs difference because of spool

Also for reference, look at 2500 rpm where it's off boost, you'll see a 25-30 ft-lb difference.

This motor would make for a great street/strip or road race engine. For all out drag racing, (10,000 RPM) I would stick with a 2.0L or a 2.1L At that point your trying to make 900+whp and running 40+psi of boost.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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Too bad you guys never made it to test the 2.1's.
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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Eric, how much do your pistons weigh? 250 grams maybe?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 06:58 PM
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will you be selling this w or w/o cores?
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AMS
Boost was a tad bit different. It hits about .5-1psi lower at peak torque, then equalls out near the mid-range, and then falls about .5psi lower up top (using more of the turbo). I also pulled a decent amount of timing out of it to be safe. Also peak torque is up by 17ft-lbs to be exact. If you look right before the peak or right after, you can see bigger gains, roughly 20-25 ft-lbs. If you look at 4K rpm, it's about a 80 ft-lbs difference because of spool

Also for reference, look at 2500 rpm where it's off boost, you'll see a 25-30 ft-lb difference.

This motor would make for a great street/strip or road race engine. For all out drag racing, (10,000 RPM) I would stick with a 2.0L or a 2.1L At that point your trying to make 900+whp and running 40+psi of boost.
Thanks Martin for the info to my questions and clearing up any questions I had...

Man, I'd love to get this 2.3L RR block....... throw on a nice 37R and go to a road course
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 09:42 PM
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whoa!? gt37r and Road curse ... that seems like a bit much eh? hahaha but pfffft whatevers floats your boat

i would LOVE a this 2.3 with a gt35r just for a v8 fighter
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcebowl
whoa!? gt37r and Road curse ... that seems like a bit much eh? hahaha but pfffft whatevers floats your boat

i would LOVE a this 2.3 with a gt35r just for a v8 fighter
or maybe that new GT35R that Buschur is talking about.....
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Evo 8
or maybe that new GT35R that Buschur is talking about.....
Buschur AND AMS parts on the same car..... Thats blasphomy


Great work AMS
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jmartinez1170
My guess would be $4500 with block.

$3500 with core.

Sould be more then that, just a AMS 2.3 with good rods and Eagle crank are $3700 plus $1800 more if you need a block.

Looks pretty hot to me even if it was $5000 with a good core.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Evo 8
Thanks Martin for the info to my questions and clearing up any questions I had...

Man, I'd love to get this 2.3L RR block....... throw on a nice 37R and go to a road course
i can see ur a not a drag racer with ur sig showing a 2.0 60 foot, why arent u at the road course right now with ur 50 trim? thats whats got me wonderin. good luck with things =)
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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i spend 2 hours with our very expensive simulation software yesterday trying to figure out how your getting the displacment with the revlimit your achiving. I blew 3 motors up with warnings everywhere of "IMPOSSIBLE PISTON SPEED"(god i love that warning). I can only come up with 2 working motors, and it isnt a 63 block. you go off the deepend and make ur own block? 92-94mm stroke with a bore of 87-88mm(which isnt even possible on the 63 block).

I know how you build engines and your attention to longevity. i'm pretty sure you guys havent lost a motor, so come on spill the beans.

Respect my man, you got my attention!
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