Buschur's 3065 tuned by Al
We did do a base line and the car was knocking so badly I had to lift my foot off the gas and examine the data log which showed excessive knock counts
There is no point to flogging a car with excessive boost and detonation to try and make ink on a page. I think you already learned the hard way what happens with that kind of approach - remember when your motor blew up ?
24 psi is a lot of boost for this set up on pump gas and at that point I suggested to the customer that we lower the boost
BTW - at the end of the tuning session I also suggested that the customer consider a meth injection system which I feel would really wake this set up up !
A turbo like this needs to be at 26 - 28 psi to really start to make decent power
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Looks like you took my advice and went to Buschur this weekend huh? Arent you glad I PMed you that Dynoflash link? I gotta ride in this thing when I am in Pittsburgh next. I would say those numbers are awesome for Buschur's infamous Mustang Dyno.
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Ok as for me i didnt get to completely see all the data from the baseline and the final plot, all i had was the graph. Im glad Al came on and explained everytihng also cleared up a few things for me as well and i am very happy with my results as to my mods i dont think i am capable of much better of a tune. Hopefully Al cleared up everything for you all as well. Thanks Al 
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Yep, took your advice, everything worked out great, let me know wen your around Pitt and i'll come meet you
You should definetly get alky injection.
The 3065 like most of the large GT series turbos come alive at higher boost levels; just like what Al previouslystated.
If you are going to go big turbo; you need alky or race gas to really have fun.
BTW, I didn't know that BR's Mustang dyno reads 22% lower than the average DynoJet?
I was always under the impression it was 10%-15%.
The 3065 like most of the large GT series turbos come alive at higher boost levels; just like what Al previouslystated.
If you are going to go big turbo; you need alky or race gas to really have fun.
BTW, I didn't know that BR's Mustang dyno reads 22% lower than the average DynoJet?
I was always under the impression it was 10%-15%.
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Ya i am really considering the alky injection now, just gotta do some research about it. I wanted to put C16 in but i was under the impression that i could get it down at buschur, but they were all out unfortunately. And yes BR's mustang dyno reads 22% less than the average dynojet
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We did do a base line and the car was knocking so badly I had to lift my foot off the gas and examine the data log which showed excessive knock counts
There is no point to flogging a car with excessive boost and detonation to try and make ink on a page. I think you already learned the hard way what happens with that kind of approach - remember when your motor blew up ?
24 psi is a lot of boost for this set up on pump gas and at that point I suggested to the customer that we lower the boost
BTW - at the end of the tuning session I also suggested that the customer consider a meth injection system which I feel would really wake this set up up !
A turbo like this needs to be at 26 - 28 psi to really start to make decent power
We did do a base line and the car was knocking so badly I had to lift my foot off the gas and examine the data log which showed excessive knock counts
There is no point to flogging a car with excessive boost and detonation to try and make ink on a page. I think you already learned the hard way what happens with that kind of approach - remember when your motor blew up ?
24 psi is a lot of boost for this set up on pump gas and at that point I suggested to the customer that we lower the boost
BTW - at the end of the tuning session I also suggested that the customer consider a meth injection system which I feel would really wake this set up up !
A turbo like this needs to be at 26 - 28 psi to really start to make decent power
of course i remember, dont think i'll forget the whole messy situation, prolly never will 
remember again...the car was ecuteked 3 times and the 4th time, the autronic PnP broked the camels back 
thats besides the point.so there was a baseline done and car knocked bad
this was never proven and lets not get into a dyno debate. every dyno is different.
im confused to y this car was knocking at 23 psi with 720cc injectors and a walbro on 93 octane? i have seen many conservative tunes with 93 octane and 23 psi. was there something else wrong with this car is to y is was knocking?
im confused to y this car was knocking at 23 psi with 720cc injectors and a walbro on 93 octane? i have seen many conservative tunes with 93 octane and 23 psi. was there something else wrong with this car is to y is was knocking?
this was never proven and lets not get into a dyno debate. every dyno is different.
im confused to y this car was knocking at 23 psi with 720cc injectors and a walbro on 93 octane? i have seen many conservative tunes with 93 octane and 23 psi. was there something else wrong with this car is to y is was knocking?
im confused to y this car was knocking at 23 psi with 720cc injectors and a walbro on 93 octane? i have seen many conservative tunes with 93 octane and 23 psi. was there something else wrong with this car is to y is was knocking?
same dyno both times.
Difference is how much closer to the edge is each tuner willing to take it? Either tuner could make the same power, given the same parts (at least at THEIR levels of ability, certainly not mine). Neither may be pushing the edge, but one may be slightly safer than the other. Example, my car made 644whp on Buschur's heartbreak dyno. David did the tune. He then, to answer a question I had, retuned it by turning DOWN the boost by 5 lbs, and leaning it out a bit. Now, it's 649whp. Is one BETTER than the other, not necessarily, but it IS a little leaner just past 5000. Don't think I could say that one is better than the other, it's just that the first tune was where he wanted it given new engine, outside temps, 1st time driver, etc. Many variables to be considered. I think that both tuners know their stuff, it's just how much to push the tune and still be safe in ALL conditions. Just my .02
Difference is how much closer to the edge is each tuner willing to take it? Either tuner could make the same power, given the same parts (at least at THEIR levels of ability, certainly not mine). Neither may be pushing the edge, but one may be slightly safer than the other. Example, my car made 644whp on Buschur's heartbreak dyno. David did the tune. He then, to answer a question I had, retuned it by turning DOWN the boost by 5 lbs, and leaning it out a bit. Now, it's 649whp. Is one BETTER than the other, not necessarily, but it IS a little leaner just past 5000. Don't think I could say that one is better than the other, it's just that the first tune was where he wanted it given new engine, outside temps, 1st time driver, etc. Many variables to be considered. I think that both tuners know their stuff, it's just how much to push the tune and still be safe in ALL conditions. Just my .02