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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Would you plz stop and cut him some slack before you mislead the thread.. it is evident that your hatin.. who cares dude move on..

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I don't know 94awd, but he always knows what he is talking about when he opens his mouth. And just like he said; A for effort, but this test is far from a real world scenario. It has nothing to do with hating
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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Your little blower is too weak and is just really sensitive to any kind of restriction in front of it. Are you aware it takes like 80hp to drive a turbo? do you know how much hp it takes to drive your little blower? more heat from the blower? now thats a funny one. whats gonna make more heat? 40 pounds of air per minute at 300 degrees or 1/2 pound of air per minute at 1000 degress?

seriously folks, I cant believe you guys think this testing has any value.
My little blower requires 1500watts ok, 80 hp to drive your turbo, try getting a real turbo.

You must of running your exhaust in to your intake. Try switching the pipes around you might get more horse power.

Stop running you mouth and get to work.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Redline06
Would you plz stop and cut him some slack before you mislead the thread.. it is evident that your hatin.. who cares dude move on..

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Thanks
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mercedevo
My little blower requires 1500watts ok, 80 hp to drive your turbo, try getting a real turbo.

You must of running your exhaust in to your intake. Try switching the pipes around you might get more horse power.

Stop running you mouth and get to work.
Okay smartass. Sorry for making you look stupid. The 80hp to drive a turbo is correct. This realization comes from those people who tried to make electric supercharges. If you want to do some research on electric supercharges you will find they were never anywhere near successful because an 80hp electric motor would be needed to make the same flow a turbo makes. The turbo is powered with heat energy form the exhaust. just because the energy is termed free doesn't mean the energy is coming from nowhere.

Just to get an idea of how meaningless your test is here is a mechanical engineer who did some meaningful experiment with flow rates through an intercooler. look at the size of his blower comparred to yours. Then Notice he says the huge fan he used is nowhere near the actual flow of the turbo.

http://www.dvdtfab.com/intercoolertestlab.pdf
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Redline06
Would you plz stop and cut him some slack before you mislead the thread.. it is evident that your hatin.. who cares dude move on..

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I had almost same results iwth a turbonator. I'm gettin 2.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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I give Mercedevo credit for doing this. 94AWD is right about real life scenerio but this little test does indicate that the ebay intercooler is slightly better in cooling then the stock one. A better test would be on a dyno.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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now we need a side by side with a big name intercooler..
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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I agree with trjx24...a dyno would be best, BUT let's go back to physics.... TRUE scientists test ALL projects on scaled down models. If you look at the difference efficency of the EBAY intercooler, and scale that UP to the airflow of a "real word" output flow, it TECHNICALLY should still be superior. BUT, only a dyno can prove it. Whoever does the test, PLEASE make sure that both intercoolers are oil free. That will not allow any "nay" sayers, to chime in. Great test bro, and thanks for stepping up to the plate....any vendors care to test their equipment now?
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 10:45 PM
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Okay smartass. Sorry for making you look stupid. The 80hp to drive a turbo is correct. This realization comes from those people who tried to make electric supercharges. If you want to do some research on electric supercharges you will find they were never anywhere near successful because an 80hp electric motor would be needed to make the same flow a turbo makes. The turbo is powered with heat energy form the exhaust. just because the energy is termed free doesn't mean the energy is coming from nowhere.

Just to get an idea of how meaningless your test is here is a mechanical engineer who did some meaningful experiment with flow rates through an intercooler. look at the size of his blower comparred to yours. Then Notice he says the huge fan he used is nowhere near the actual flow of the turbo.

http://www.dvdtfab.com/intercoolertestlab.pdf
The key here is scale.
I could have told him that the cast smoth end tanks would perform better without an experment. His experment is great but were talking about stock IC vs ebay IC. That experment was mainly about the end tank designs, which would require more cfm to show any data. Mine is about the over all flow. I never metion that ebay one is the greatest design nor consider it better than other after markets.

Dude, I have read that artical about the 80 hp to drive a electric motor turbo before. That is why they don't use electric motor.

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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it doesnt take 80hp to run a turbo.....I've seen go karts and pocket bikes with turbo's....they don't have 80hp I can garauntee you that.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 03:55 AM
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it doesnt take 80hp to run a turbo.....I've seen go karts and pocket bikes with turbo's....they don't have 80hp I can garauntee you that.
There is a local here who succsefuuly turboed a mini dragster engine. Its the only small engine turbo success story I know of. It uses the worlds smallest turbo that moves 60cfm air. The engine went from 16hp to 27hp. No it doesn't take the equivalant of an 80hp electric motor to drive that turbo. More like 8hp electric motor.

A non turbo 4g63 makes 200whp. A really flying 2.0 4g63 has made 1200whp. The turbo is moving the air to make all that extra horsepower. If my hp estimate is wrong ,how much horsepower do you think it takes to drive a turbo? I would love to learn something here.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
There is a local here who succsefuuly turboed a mini dragster engine. Its the only small engine turbo success story I know of. It uses the worlds smallest turbo that moves 60cfm air. The engine went from 16hp to 27hp. No it doesn't take the equivalant of an 80hp electric motor to drive that turbo. More like 8hp electric motor.

A non turbo 4g63 makes 200whp. A really flying 2.0 4g63 has made 1200whp. The turbo is moving the air to make all that extra horsepower. If my hp estimate is wrong ,how much horsepower do you think it takes to drive a turbo? I would love to learn something here.
94AWD ^^ -- Lighten up a bit....You obviously are well read on these matters but come off as an A$$ (not just in this thread either)...I see you are doing your version of an intercooler test and I am sure it will be flawless from start to finish.

For others -- Nisei did an interesting test on FMIC....I don't recall if they tested the eBay cooler, but I know they would if you sent them one....They don't seem to hide data / facts either, so if it really performs well they will let you know....
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 04:31 AM
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it would take a hell of a built motor with super high compression for a NA 4g63 to make 200hp. a stock evo striped of the turbo will probably make less than 130whp
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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I give you credit for the test. You were either really bored or really wanted to see results.
I am glad you took the time to do the test, however the results are a little misleading due to the non real world application.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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thanks for the effort, now you just need to find a way to generate an additional 50'C and 400 more CFM on your charge source through the IC as well as 5000 more CFM of air across the cooling fins of the IC
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