Adam: There is pretty much NOTHING this kit could do to justify its 6k price tag sans ALL supporting mods. There is no reason you should have to pay this much for turbo that is only CAPABLE of 500 wheel hp. Having the proper fuel delivery is just the first part of the equation you would still need something to control it all. Not to mention upgrading the flow capabilities everywhere else.

I completely understand the head gasket and head studs although I would use the much better Cometic gasket. But Rod bolts?!? Why would you go through all the trouble of dropping the oil pan just to do the rod bolts? I really don’t think its necessary but if I was really nervous I would do the rods while I was in there.

I really don’t like using Japan for examples. They tend to do some really weird stuff that is against common logic IMO. They also build cars for different goals. Also the JDM or European market might be able to stomach a 6k turbo kit the American market would never go for that. I can see this when I look that the price tag associated with most of the stuff that comes out of JUN etc. With a bit of research you could get equal performance at half the price.

Mentioning price and saying that its not for everyone is a pretty stupid jab too. For that 6k price tag I got a full long block with Ross/Pauter internals, ARP head studs, ported head with valves and springs, Hks cams AND it also included my turbo with a gt40 compressor and stage 5 turbine wheel and turbonetics manifold. My turbo is EASILY capable of making OVER 600wheel hp and I’m getting 30lbs by about 4k. Yes this is a bit OT but I'm trying to put this into perspective for some of the EVO owners.

I did call their kits bling bling and that is a bit petty. But I have also seen Greddy’s 18g turbo kit. 18g? Most of the lag of a 20g with the performance of a 16g. Yeah that kit proved they do a lot of R&D. Look at who builds the best compressors out there? Garrett. Then look at who has made the best hybrid turbos for DSMs AGP FP etc. HKS is a MUCH bigger turbo company that has a lot more resources than the smaller DSM turbo vendors but they consistently put out cheaper better performing kits. The same thing hold true for the Supra community. The Sound Performance turbos have MUCH better performance and spool characteristics than the outrageously priced 2835 and 3037 twin combos.

So Adam I would have to say I am NOT a JDM fanboy. I look at results not a over rated name. I’m sure a stateside vendor is going to start making turbine housings that work with the EVO and it would be a shame for people to get that bang for the buck out of the turbo kit. This isnt an attack on you this is just my thoughts as someone that has been around the DSM community for awhile.

 

Your point of view is skewed because you dont undertand few things.:


"Also the JDM or European market might be able to stomach a 6k turbo kit the American market would never go for that"

Tuning is not cheap. Look at turbo kits for supra.
Did you notice how much they cost.? They start at 5 and go up to 10 grand for twin hks kit. I mean there are sites selling JDM wide body kits for supras for 10G's

"With a bit of research you could get equal performance at half the price"

Is that theory ever true? You can have similar performance but never same quality, dependibility.
Theres a reason why people buy expensive things...
You could be happy with a seiko, but most people prefer a rolex.




And finally, dude you drive a 3 thousand dollar car. I dont care how much you invested in it. Its a 3K dollar car.
I bet its nice and fast as hell but once again, tuning your car and tuning a porche, supra or an evo will be a little more expensive.

 

I think my point sailed right over your head. Who would spend 10k on a HKS twin kit that has MORE lag and makes LESS power than the SP74.

Are you honestly stupid enough to think that by paying more you get more? In reality you are just spending a wad of cash for the HKS name. What type of reliability are we talking about here? People make headers that don’t crack. Garrett turbos aren’t any more or less reliable than an equivalent HKS turbo. In fact more often than not HKS uses GT wheels.

What’s wrong you realized you couldn’t make any factual points so you decided to just get insulting? Either way I realize exactly what my car is and what its worth.

LOL As nice as the EVO is you really can’t compare it to a Porsche or Supra. I’m not here to try and convince anyone. If you want to spend more money for less performance just so you can put the HKS stickers on your wall be my guest. But realize that us DSMers know a thing or two about going fast with the 4g63. It isn’t like the EVO is a completely different car.

 

dude take it easy
i see you got upset and you didnt get my point either

if you are happy with what you have thats fine
but dont try to tell us that you would rather have forced performance over hks
seiko over rolex
and
eagle over porche

when you can afford it, you buy the best, not the cheapest....

 

I would agree. More bang for the buck. Tuners and monkey wrenchers are usually in the know of what options are out there. Those that don't know just buy by labels. It's much easier for them, since they can't sort things out themselves. I've got a T04E 46trim, Stage 2 unclipped, .48A/R ex. housing. It's just waiting for an EVO now.

 

it really doesnt matter since only hks and greddy make turbo kits for our cars, no point arguing over other tuners.

 

I keep watching this thread and that's kinda what I was thinking

 

Thank you! Someone who got my point!

Right now, its the only game in town, and its a proven method of making a reliable streetable Evo....again, it is not for everyone.

There are always different methodologies in tuning, and being a longstanding member of the DSM community as well, I know both sides intimately. But its different strokes for different folks, and its 2 totally different markets IMHO.

Adam

 

Well as long as we are equally missing each other’s point I guess we are even.

 

No body has mentioned the fit of the 3037s kit... most of which, last I heard, don' t fit the US EVO VIII. Now I know HKS was about to release the US version, but no one has mentioned if that release has taken place or not. Al had to have his modified to fit his car... someone else, that I forget, mentioned the same. One could only assume that the early 2835 kits fit the same. So, how does one know which kit they are purchasing? New, or old?

 

It's not that they don't fit but rather that the kit is designed to fit multiple versions/revisions of the EVO so they don't include parts that won't work on all. They (HKS) will release a kit designed to work on the EVO8 (not just USDM) soon since they understand the needs/demands of the US Market.
Regarding cost/performance, etc. I have personally owned 2 DSM's, a SupraTT, WRX and EVO (and some other stuff missing two wheels). DSM's have sourced most of their stuff in the USA since we are the majority of the market so we have the best stuff. If suddenly 2G's were re-released in Europe, we'd probably be telling them what's best. Why is it so hard to expect the reverse to happen. Japan built the EVO, why can't they have some of the best tuners for the EVO. It isn't completely different, no.
The HKS kit is pricey, yes. It will come down as supplies flow and the demand is there. I have yet to see anyone release a manifold for the EVO that is designed as well as the HKS. While the 3037S is made of mostly Garrett stuff, you can't build one yourself. HKS does an excellent job of building turbo kits for specific applications. The HKS Twin kit for the Supra is an unfair comparison. It has it's perks that some people understand and want (I don't necessarily mean spool; that's been rehashed plenty of times) and many (myself included) would never consider what that kit cost, but what do you expect; an extra turbo is a huge additional cost. The twin kit makes sense for a customer that gets greater octane than we do and can exploit the higher efficiency levels at elevated boost that newer Ballistics derived turbos are known for. The SP kits are great stuff; SP is known for tuning Supras. They no doubt make great money on their stuff and have spent plenty of R&D time on the Supra. I know the guys there and am in fact an SP vendor. HKS is an EVO specific tuner in the same manner. It's one of their specialties. HKS hasn't enjoyed as large a market as the DSM vendors and consequently, prices have been higher, etc.
The Green turbo is a nice turbo but it's nothing more than a Garrett GT30 custom setup and built to fit a DSM. I would never consider that as an option. Neither the Green nor a GT30 would fit a CT9A without a manifold so why pay the extra for the Green over the GT30? This comment is a paraphrase from the designer of the Green at FP. I have no doubt they will be coming out with an EVO version of the Green (purple? ) eventually. THAT will be a great day for EVO owners. I have great respect for Robert.
Ah well, I've gone on long enough.
BTW, there are several other options becoming available. I sell Ultimate Racing for example. I have yet to test one of their turbo kits but I do know it's close to being released.

Mark

 

Mark as we are seeing the US DSM tuners are already making the most power and running the best times.

A green is a Garrett 50 trim mated to a 6h wheel in a 7 or 8cm housing. This turbo has the perfect pump gas map and has made 400hp on pump gas on more than a few DSMs. Why wouldn’t you consider this as a viable option

Also the Gt30 turbine wheel sucks. The T31 and T350 wheels are MUCH nicer. There are also many compressors out there that walk all over the Gt30. The 50 trim makes more power at 18-22lbs.

I know there are new manifolds coming out. Buschur is coming out with a nice manifold any day now. I was trying to make this point in the first place. As I said you can get a these kits that will perform BETTER for THOUSANDS less.

 

I think Mark is saying its not an optin as its not a bolt on, nor is there a manifold currently made to make it work.....

 

So the arguement that there is not a US vendor with a released kit for the EVO is mute... It appears you can adapt a 3037s kit to fit the USDM EVO VIII, but not an absolute bolt on solution... So what are people arguing about

 

Exactly - there are a few people in teh counry with the Japanese spec kits on thei car - i sold one quite a few months back to a customer down south (it was the kit that I had purchased for my own Evo, but I ended up cancelling the order for the car). Al Friedman has it on his car as well, and is makign excellent use of the kit.

As with any parts at this level, it will all work perfectly well, just takes an installer that knows his way around the engine bay.

Adam